Serious question: What does this do for Mayweather's win over Marquez

Styles makes fights. JMM has no tools to even compete with a taller, longer and faster counterpuncher like Floyd. People expected Floyd to school JMM and that's what happened. Floyd could have jabbed from distance all night and be out of range from JMM. JMM was forced to be the aggressor (out of his comfort zone) and got countered endlessly.

Some people thought Pac would just maul JMM but others who understood boxing knew it would be competitive due to styles just like the first 2 fights.

So to answer your question, what took place between Pac and JMM in the 3rd fight doesn't change the way people look at Floyd-JMM (at least those who understand the basics of the sport of boxing or any other sport). Different fighters, different styles.

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Floyd was 150 against Ortiz.

 

Good ole Pacquaio diehards. History will portray this win exactly as stated below. Of that I am 100% certain.

 

Anytime! As for his weights, could be. :thumbsup Don't know why they didn't give his in ring weight vs. JMM or Mosley. In my opinion, selectively giving only certain fights your in ring weight makes me think twice about the intentions.

 

Great....a ****in noob who doesn't say jack **** telling us how certain he is... *yawn* :roll:

 

He weighed 150 against Ortiz. Are you claiming he came in way heavier against Marquez?

He comes into training camps around 155.

Ring magazine said he weighed 152 that night with JMM weighing 148, thats a 4 massive lbs.

 

No. Marquez's physique suggests that he is in much better shape against PAC.

 

When I claim something, you'll see my post saying it. I don't know what he weighed vs. JMM. Was wondering WHY only some times he shows his in ring weight, and others he doesn't. Do you have any idea why that is? DLH used to do it all the time too.

 

Styles make fights, but it dispels the myth that JMM was shot and is completely ineffective at WW, so in that sense yeah.

 

He was 2 years older.. Been in some tough fights in between. And he was not a lick faster or stronger or whatever. He was the same Marquez just against a better opponent.

 

Good one.

What's the difference between the Marquez that Floyd fought and the Marquez that Manny fought?

I was simply stating my opinion that in 5/10/20/50 years time people will remember Floyd's shutout for what it was- a masterclass. What he did to someone with Marquez's ability was very impressive. Was Marquez the smaller man? Yeah, but only by a little bit. It was still a terrific performance given Marquez's ability. Floyd should get far more credit than he currently gets for that fight.

Why should Floyd get no credit for shutting out an opponent that is good enough to give Manny all he can handle?

 

Marquez was already fighting two weight divisions north of where he last fought for the first time. Not to mention 3-4 of where he should be fighting at. Add insult to injury Floyd didnt even cut and came in at whatever he felt like coming in at while Marquez killed himself to gain the weight. In other words, one guy was fighting comfortably in his comfort zone while the other was way out of his. Not to mention the size advantage Floyd had over Marquez. It was quiet clear from each of their appearances fight night. One guy looked like he appeared to be two weight classes below, despite the 4lbs discrepancy.

At the end of the day Floyd did school Marquez but he was expected to do so, no one really thought he (Marquez) had a chance, did they?

 

Pretty much everyone thought Marquez would lose. However, it was more one-sided than just about anyone thought. Most people thought it would be an 8-4 type decision. I don't think anyone envisioned Marquez losing every round and landing under 6 punches a round. I thought it was good win at the time. Marquez's performance on Saturday certainly makes it look better.

 

You cant compare those two performances to boost credit. Besides styles making fights, Marquez obviously learned from that catastrophe and gained weight the right way the second time around, not that it would have made much of a difference, but I believe the lack of conditioning accounted for that insane one sided beating. Considering what Marquez was going up against (uphill peak) , Mayweather should have gotten him out of there. He attempted to press on at a certain point but couldnt do it. If anything, you could deduct a point for Mayweather's inability to finish Marquez considering all the advantages he had over him.

 

Actually, you can't even knock Mayweather for not stopping Juan considering Pacquiao couldn't even hurt him. Marquez is an excellent fighter and it was clear after that fight that Mayweather was the better fighter. How many fighters can say they're clearly better than Marquez? Think about this. Martinez is a counterpuncher who is bigger, taller, and longer than Mayweathet. He's also a lefty. Even if he fought Mayweather at 160, if Martinez clearly won every
round, that would be impressive.