Serious Question: Would Crawford had defeated Leonard at 147?

What an awesome fight this would be.

 

No chance.

Leonard was faster, meaner, and hit as hard if not harder.

Crawford would certainly acquit himself well, but he isn't beating Sugar Ray.

 

Hence why I said they would be better matchups for Bud. Not sure I agree with your synopsis of Tito or Oscar, but everyone can have an opinion

 

Oscar didn’t struggle with p on my card but I hear stories from people who see it different…. Still not sure why this isn’t a better match up for Bud than SRL

 

Because you know nothing about boxing. Why are you on a boxing forum?!

You say Leonard struggled with Duran/hearns/hagler/Benitez (all time greats all 4 of them), you do realize he beat them all right?!!

Forget that, Crawford beats Gamboa/Burns/Indongo/khan type guys and he’s the greatest all of a sudden!!

 

Oscar was a great fighter.

Yes, he did fall short, but he was also extremely unlucky in some of his fights.

He could have gotten the decisions against a prime Shane and a prime Tito.

He pushed Floyd really hard for most of the fight, even when he was faded and he’d been inactive and was towards the end of his career.

This is a perfect example of where you just dismiss things without applying context.


Again, Terrence is great. But ask yourself if he’d honestly still be unbeaten had he have fought Oscar’s opponents.

I’d like to have seen Terrence in fights against a prime Tito, a prime Shane and then a move up to MW to have fought Hopkins.

Then there was Floyd and Manny.

Oscar wasn’t overrated. Not unless you’re claiming outlandish things about him.


Terrence has had a much easier ride of things. That isn’t his fault of course. And I’m sure that he’d love to have fought Oscar’s opponents. But the truth is, it’s easier fighting guys like Brook, Spence and Porter, than what it is to fight the prime greats who Oscar fought.

I’d love to swap over their timelines where they fought each other’s opponents.

Terrence may have done amazing. But I doubt very much that he’d still have a 40-0 record.

 

No.

Because as always, you’re ignorant and you never apply context.

 

Of course they matter.

Terrence and Errol would never be able to weigh-in at 147 and then fight the same day.

They’d be completely depleted.

If they’d have fought in Ray’s era, they’d have been JMW’s or even MW’s.


So if you’re looking at a time machine fight, both Errol and Terrence would considerably have outweighed guys like Ray on fight night.

That may affect your argument somewhat. I don’t know. You’ll have to tell us if it does or not.


Again, if you believe that Terrence is great, which he certainly seems to be, then ponder how he’d have fared with guys like Hagler etc. Because Marvin often used to weigh under the limit back in the days of same day weigh-ins. He would come in at 157 pounds.

So how would Errol and Terrence have done against Marvin and Mike McCallum etc?

Because they’d have been their opponents in the mid 80’s.


I really love Terrence. And I’m high on him just like most others. He’s incredibly skilled, and he’s just put on a great performance. But again, we also need to apply context.

You label people like me as being nostalgic, but that’s because you don’t possess knowledge of those older eras.

As great as Terrence is, he’s just not been tested in the way that many of those 80’s and 90’s guys were.

 

Here we go, another moron trying to get people to hate on a fighter by pretending to be a fan. The fact that 4 Leonard opponents he named fought nothing like Crawford(Hearns had similarities, but Bud doesn’t have Hearns’ height, reach or one punch power) tells you all you need to know.

He would definetly hold his own but no, he doesn’t beat Leonard. I might edge him over Floyd at 147 though.

 

He smokes anyone PBC has to offer right now though, from 140 to 154. Jermell is lucky that he won the Canelo lottery and ran from 154.

 

Leonard would likely only beat Ricky Burns on points 116-112 had he fought at that weight too....a lesser skilled fighter like Duran might have only scraped a draw with Ricky

 

Prime Sugar Ray Leonard was the second-best welterweight after only Sugar Ray Robinson. Crawford does not have the resume to be compared to any of the greats that you have listed here. Crawford's best win is against Spence, who was out of it by the second round. I hope that you are trolling and if not, you are clueless.