Serious thoughts on this Harry Greb shadow boxing video?

yep, his elbows are in, when his right hand moves, his right foot moves/pivots, when his left hand moves his left foot moves/pivots. His punches come across his front foot. If he moves the front foot 6" he moves the back foot 6", his feet stay under him, in the same position. Whoever trained him did a good job.

 

I have asked our belligerent " expert " this question. Asking for dates on when it was signed by both parties and the purse amount. He's running from these questions.

Tunney pounded Greb. Greb admitted it and said he had no interested in a 6th match. A news headline means little, but to keep one's name in the press. I see no large purse here.

 

Yeah, folks must be using "balance" in a way that's basically the opposite of what most boxing people mean when they use the term.

 

Let me ask you this: did you go to the miami papers and look for the details? No? You wont find something if you keep your eyes shut and stick your fingers in your ears shouting NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH. It wont happen. If you think Greb hitchhiked down to Florida, hijacked a newspaper office, demanded that they print a ****ing full banner headline announcing the fight so he could get some free publicity... in FLORIDA, and then fled back across the country, well, we can leave it at that. You might as well put your tinfoil hat back on and argue with someone else.

 

Its funny because the quote about Greb being off balance and out of position to throw meaningful punch could have come straight out of any number of papers in 10s and 20s that criticized Grebs supposed lack style but marvelled at his ability to beat supposedly better fighters with monotonous regularity.

 

I can see that. And to be clear, I've never suggested--at least not intentionally--that Greb's shadowboxing routine is at all indicative of his abilities as a fighter. Until (if) I get a chance to watch him in an actual fight, he's just going to remain a giant enigma (with extraordinary accomplishments) for me.

 

Well, those experts knew their **** so my suspicion is you might see an awkward or maybe even amateurish fighter kicking some pretty looking fighters ass. I think in the end the result is the same and what really matters. The only thing that would alter my opinion would be if, for example, we got the Greb-Walker film, a fight everyone thought Greb won convincingly barring a few rough patches, and we saw not only an awkward fighter but saw him losing. I think that would be a long shot but if you found that your perception was that he looked bad AND wasnt winning then that would change things. Joe Calzaghe had an awkward, ugly, slapping style but he always won so in the end, regardless of how aesthetically pleasing he looked you cant argue with the results. On the flip side Zab Judah, as someone mentioned above, had a very fun, pleasing, and pretty style BUT he lost almost every big fight he was in and at the end of the day he seemed to lack focus. My point is, regardless of how Greb looked (and some were absolutely offended by how awkward his style was) at the end of the day he not only beat but dominated and battered great fighters that had the critics gaga over their styles. Hard to argue with that.

 

Mitchell I would not put but Dempsey I do not mind. He was a great fighter.

 

Yeah, it is hard to argue with that.
But a few here will argue they know better, they simply don't consider it possibly that a boxer can do it "wrong" by standards of technical orthodoxy yet still come out on top. They conclude that it can only happen if all the opponents are doing it "wrong" too, and the "whole era couldn't box".

The problem is, they mistake boxing for a sport like figure skating or gymnastics or diving, where precise technical correctness is judged to a precise standard and scored that way.
Forgetting that boxing is primarily the art of hitting and not getting hit, and HOW a boxer accomplishes that is actually immaterial.

 

I have asked our belligerent " expert " this question. Asking for dates on when it was signed by both parties and the purse amount. He's running from these questions.

Tunney pounded Greb. Greb admitted it and said he had no interested in a 6th match. A news headline means little, but to keep one's name in the press. I see no large purse here.

Still running? Run Forrest run. If you had what I'm asking for you show it here as quickly as possible.

What were the dates? Did Tunney sign it? How much was the purse? If you don't have that information, just admit it and say so.

Yes--I think in boxing history managers have used the press for their favor. And I've seen you blast the press before calling it the mouthpiece of so and so, so please spare us the double standards.

 

I didnt take you to raise. Im currently the ONLY person in this discussion who posted a varifiable first hand account to uphold his argument. In the meantime where is my list you keep threatening to publish? Where is the Greb-Gans film? Where is the evidence behind any number of other lies youve been busted on over the years. Im not McVey moron, im not going to incessantly entertain your delusions because you have nothing better to do.

 

Strike three you're out. No information, just a news headline. Would you like me to post a news headline that never happened? Newspaper headlines are often false.

Still trying to pivot away from the question I see. There's nothing more to see here, you have been called out and can't produce what I'm asking for.

The only think I agree on is your not Mcvey.

I have your boxing list. Others here know it It serves me no point sending it to you, as you'll just lie about it. Once you said, oh, you must have my " public " list, but why not show what you have? You sure spend enough time talking about it.

 

Sure you do... yet youve posted snippets that dont come from my list and cant name fights that appear on it. Nevermind the fact that I have two lists, a public list and a private list, the public list included only fights that I didnt care to trade or sell. Meaning only my private list was complete. Furthermore I havent given a list out to anyone in almost a decade (when I stopped actively trading and selling) and stopped updating my list when I went digital years ago. In the intervening years since last giving out my list my collection has grown substantially. So any list that you might have gotten ahold of (and again, your excerpts did not come from my list) was A. out of date by several years when the last person I gave it to got it years ago B. Incomplete and C. Now only reflects a fraction of my current collection. So while I know you dont have my list in any form you couldnt possibly have a list of my complete collection at any time in history and as time goes on any person who ever had a copy of my list would find it less and less reflective of my collection. But feel free to post what ever it is you think you have. We could even put it to the test. I could shoot you catalogue numbers from my list and you can tell me what that tape or DVD has on it. We both know you wont do this though because you dont have my list.

 

Hard to argue against results at the end of the day. Like you say, the only thing that might change that is if we got a hold of some Greb fights that people thought he clearly won, but when viewing it we see he likely lost and looked bad. Very doubtful, but that would be the way to alter things I suppose.

 

A great example of this is Reggie Miller... In technical terms, he did a lot wrong when going up for a jump shot. If that player didn't consistently make them, the team would've brought in a shot coach faster than his head could spin during training camp of his rookie year. The thing is, it worked and he made them consistently. I wasn't a technically sound jump shot like the Curry family or Ray Allen, but it didn't need to look pretty it only needed to go in and it did.