Setanta's p4p rankings

Why not though? Ive sat through 6 of his fights now, I don't think he is a top 10 at all based on resume within the class, but I see something that is pound for pound class based on boxing skills when I watch the lad box.

Of course, appearances on film are decieving, but I think he could hold his own outside of Indonesia as well. Exactly what type of boxer I enjoy watching, reminds me a tiny bit of Khoasi G.

 

But even as he stands now, if you look at his resume unbiased, it's easily top 100 and not that far off from Hopkins' resume.

Hopkins, Dawson & Woods, with Kessler and Dawson going on to do impressive things should jump Calzaghe over Hopkins decisively, IMO.

 

50-60?

I have him top 30...and Calzaghe in the 60s...if Joe wins, he vaults up into the 40s...Hop probably drops into the 30s. But if he wins....well thats another story.

:yep

 

I agree wholeheartedly. Just wasn't sure where you ranked the current old/inactive Hopkins in respect to other former P4Pers.

Hatton is somewhere in my top 25 right now, 22 the last time I made a list. I could even make a case for him being somewhere between 25-30. In terms of significant, decisive wins since the Tszyu win, he has none.

Maussa?:nono

Collazo?:nono (arguably a loss)

Urango? :nono (looked very unimpressive and average)

Castillo?:nono (KO win against a completely shot, uninspired opponent. Squared himself up coming in an awful lot - something a counterpuncher would/and did take advantage of)

At this point, I'd take Witter over him. Either by decision or late stoppage. Hatton would get dropped at some point in the fight.

 

Taking Dawson out of the picture though, because I am 100% certain Joe and Chad won't meet,(Joe has stated that it is not a fight that would interest him after Bernard, not through ducking I feel, but because he could make 3 million more fighting Junior or Kelly?), where would you have Joe if he beats Bernard handily in a hard duel, beats Pavlik handily then has a retirement fight against the victoriuos Clinton (over Tarver in last fight) in Wales?(Thats what I think will exactly happen)

:think

 

Let me get this **** straight -

Hopkins is STILL a legit top 5-ish LHW in ability, so a total destruction win will be a decent win, not a great win, just a good one. Hopkins likely will be no worse than he was against Taylor, because he was no worse against Taylor than he was against an uninspired Tarver.

I think Hopkins can perform better than he did against Winky, I think he's getting up for the fight.

All said, he's probably a top 15-17 at his best now, not a top 10, no way in hell, the guy vs. Wright was top 25 at best.

And I still say that I will give Joe no credit unless he totally dominates, losing 1-2 rounds is OKAY, but losing 3-4 actually drops Joe down in the rankings for me.

I'm not trying to overrate Calzaghe's wins. For me to move him to #1 though, I need a brutal, beautiful, quick annihilation. To stay at #2, he at least needs to dominate him and preferrably stop him.

But he'll stay at #2 if he wins say 10 rounds to 2 legitimately.

We all need to start bringing Hatton realisation to the forefront as a unit, Joy Boy must go down for his disgraceful antics and we're not even being biased *******s here, Hatton really is where we are stating him, since the Tszyu win he's declined and I actually think Tszyu would have got him under a fair ref, I rewatched that fight and that ref was a disgrace.

 

As I hold H2H ability against the other greats of their classes as a big thing (which I have Bernard numero uno amongst MWs), names like McLarnin and Dixon dont rank as high with me as others, as I dont hold them in a high regard in this category. I am also of the ilk of people who feel the game has changed so much over time, I dont look at older fighters as unbeatable forces as many, MANY do. Holyfield, Napoles and Dempsey I still have ranked above Bernard. As I do with Roy as well....just in case most were wondering (as he is the one who Hopkins is most linked with it seems).

 

1.Manny Pacquiao
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Joe Calzaghe
4.Isreal Vasquez
5.Bernard Hopkins
6.Miguel Cotto
7.David Haye
8.Ivan Calderon
9.Kelly Pavlik
10.JMM