Shadow Boxing

why does the feel of movement matter when your working to improve muscular stamina?

jumping rope isnt the correct feel of movement, neither are push ups or pull ups or slamming a sledge hammer into a tire or sit ups or jump squats....but boxers still do them.

 

Homeostasis Ylem, its interpretation of movement.

 

strawman argument, you dont shadow box with weights to get better technique.....but you could claim you do if you want to make a valid argument against it...but of course if you actually wanted to argue against what its used for, i.e. stamina....i guess you'd just be SOL.

 

Sorry what are you on about :roll:

 

Ylem, you're going to embarrass yourself.... again. atsch

 

If you argue against weights being used to perfect technique, well theres the easy target to debate. But light weights are used for stamina.

 

thehook, Weights are resistance, Elastic or Rubber are. Elastic works the same as Muscle and the joints they move, resistance to moving Elastic is not the same as Light weights, the stress is constant. With Elastic its not, backward and forward it Helps the Agonist and Antagonist muscles respond to the action better, in safety and with a better message to the Neural pathways.

 

You the boss man :bbb..

 

I do know that! we're talking about general training though for amatuers or basic conditioning. using rubber bands all the time is a pain the in ass. The 'damage' of using light weights isn't that bad, you wouldn't condemn them and take a strong stance against them on a general training discussion. if you're training for a world title fight every little tool is worth the effort but using light weights is good enough for someone who trains.

 

Dont make you wrong hook, did it myself . Just trying to explain there are better ways to do things. Its not new Charles Atlas was using a similar principle years ago, with springs, same concept.

 

Do you find it interesting that in recent time they have started hitting tires with sledge hammers and reintroduced a lot of the old time methods of training?

 

and jack Dempsey was using the same principal with pulleys nearly a century ago....but of course boxing coaches are in the stone ages when it comes to science and training.

 

Of course the old timers got some things right... As time goes on we understand the effects of things and how combinations of things work, you discover a more effective, efficient way to train. The problem with most of the boxing world is that it ignores those things. Being close minded and trying to maintain traditions is the recipe to stifle growth.
What works? What's the defintion of 'what works'? Why not try to improve? It would be very arrogant for someone to assume that they have all the answers, especially when they don't even understand why they are doing what they are doing, just following somebody else. If you are doing something like punching with weights you have to rationally and logically explain why you are doing that and using up valuable training time...
Are there not better ways to improve shoulder endurance that you can incorporate in your boxing training without messing up your punching technique? When you do something like punching with weights it's similar to punching normally but it isn't the same. When you punch with weights it uses the same motor pattern but due to the gravity pushing the weight towards the ground you make subtle adjustments. That alters your correct muscular contraction pattern because it's very close to a punch, it acceses the same pattern and alters it. That's why something like a push up isn't going to do much to your mechanics, it's a different motion but the muscular endurance benefits still transfer across nicely, it provides support without messing up your motor pattern for punching.

To the other guy, I'm not aware that there was a time when sledgehammers haven't been used in conditioning boxers? It's a plyometric/power exercise, similar to a medicine ball slam. Either/or, both provide the same benefits.
The difference the science makes is that many years ago you would have had boxers using the sledgehammer until they couldn't move anymore, as time goes on we understand more about how the nervous system responds so these days a S&C coach is going to make sure the volume is right and the athlete doesn't hit the tyre until they're completely fatigued. There's nothing to be scared of.
You're not going to find anyone with a brain including running with weighted boots on or walking for two hours as part of conditioning a fighter.

 

many years ago theyd be using an axe to chop down trees.

do people spar with 1 lb gloves on? what is diffrent between 16 oz gloves and 1 lb dumbells?

also its kind of interesting how you can pretty much find the exact same exercises that tyzso reccomnds in John L Sullivan and Jim Corbetts biography/training book.

 

Cool story bro