Shakur Stevenson is the best boxer in the world

So it's not impressive beating your opponent's in their backyard on a deck which is stacked against you, where we know for a fact that the chances of you losing, via hook or crook, are that much higher and the chances of you getting robbed by the judges, the referees waving off fights early in the home fighter's favour, not counting KDs you've scored or counting bogus ones your opponent has for them, the referees turning a convenient blind eye to your opponent fouling the crap out of you all night, octopus grabbing you to death, billy goat butting, elbow, punch low etc. are way higher than they are in your own country/backyard


We can't give credit to foreigners for doing this playing by a set of rules all the time that American fighters won't do, have never done once, or ever will do once in their entire careers

You won't give credit to Loma for doing something he hasn't done, which FTR, I'm not even asking anyone to do but rather just that they don't be ignorant pricks and ignore context, very important context, which to be fair at least you have now done

But we should give credit to American fighters for doing something they've never done once or ever will do because they would do it if they had to even though I've posted numerous examples of some their greatest fighters or best from previous eras, or current best who categorically refused to even travel outside the US or to their foreign opponent's backyards which they never did once, let alone agreeing to fight them on a stacked deck with a home ref and three home judges which they would NEVER do

Including footage of one categorically refusing to travel to the country of a fighter they're calling out even though said fighter they're calling out was not only the champion at the weight and they were the challenger but they were literally the undisputed champion and held all the belts they wanted at the time

And it wouldn't have mattered where they fought because the American was simply better and would've beaten them anyway even though they wouldn't dare fight them in their backyard and only did so in theirs on a deck heavily stacked in their favour

You say Shakur would travel to his opponent's backyards, which he may well one day, a whopping once or possibly twice but never in a million years on one stacked with a home ref and three home judges, but then I provide you with footage of him calling out a 118 pounder initially saying he'd fight them in their country before immediately correcting himself and saying errrr... no, I really don't know about that,

What compelled him to have second thoughts about that? Why did he suddenly have reservations about doing so? He obviously sees it as very advantageous to Inoue and very disadvantageous to him and that was travelling to fight a fighter who was still at 118 pounder whilst he was at 135 four divisions above him

Funny how when a reporter asked Loma if he was open to fight Inoue and move down to 126 to do so and he replied maybe he was absolutely crucified for it by many fans even though he didn't actually call Inoue out or to move up in weight to face him and when we saw them standing alongside each other Loma was barely that much bigger than him and he himself was routinely fighting opponents who were bigger, much or way bigger than he was than Inoue, whereas, conversely, Shakur has been big for every weight class he's fought in or at worst the same size facing guys he was bigger than, not much or way bigger

But when Shakur literally did call Inoue out, said tell him to move up four divisions to fight him, and in complete contrast to Loma expressed reluctance about travelling to fight in an opponent's backyard, and even worse he's much bigger than Loma is, in his own words Loma is too small, looks like a 126 pounder, should move down to 130 where he would be way better, and he felt way bigger than Loma even though he'd just moved up to 126


All we heard was crickets

 

But you're giving credit to American fighters for doing something they didn't do, haven't done, categorically refused to ever do once, or will never do once in their careers because they would do it if they had to

Again, I'm not asking people to give him credit for something he didn't do, just don't ignore context

What do you mean I guess it's possible? Shakur is a three weight champion beating Joet Gonzalez, Herring, and De Los Santos all in his home country whilst being big for every weight class or at worst the same size at 135 and Loma was good enough to become a three weight world champion in what would be his 4th, 5th, and 6th weight classes had he turned pro at the same age as Shakur whilst being average sized, small and tiny for the weight classes very often being the much or smaller or way smaller man and winning them all in his opponent's backyards or on the road

Loma has never lost to a fighter his size in his life other than possibly his lone loss in the amateurs, let alone smaller or way smaller. He should only have 2 losses in his 420 + fights as it is and all of his 3 losses in the pros came against fighters who weighed way more than him, at least 2 divisions heavier or 4 in Haney's case, 2 of which in what would be, duh, as explained, be in at least his sixth division had he turned pro at the same age as Shakur and that's without being a weight bully like so many other multiple weight champs, many of whom are also proven PED cheats.

You think he wouldn't have won world titles had he turned pro three weights lower at the same age as Shakur who is much bigger than him and has always been bigger?

Did you see Loma at 126 after the Salido fight and 130? He was incredible and he literally toyed with everyone like they were lacing up the gloves for the first time. Look what he did smaller Rigo who was P4P #4 if you want to see a rare instance of him in with a smaller fighter. He made an amazing talent and super skilled power punching defensive whizz like Rigo look like a rank novice. Rigo could barely lay a glove on a Loma who was literally in 1st and 2nd gear.

There's a reason why he won over 400 amateur fights and only lost once, went from the P4P#1 amateur and pro in just 12 fights, whilast excellent Shakur was never close to being the amateur and he has not come close to becoming the P4P#1 pro in 24 fights and over an 8 year career,

Why Loma is the quickest two weight one, and the quickest ever three weight one

The amateur GOAT

And why when he was at his natural weight he won Olympic gold, World Amateur gold, European gold whilst only conceding a combined 24 points in total in all three of them and he's not a runner or an octopus. Do you understand how insane that is or how insane it is to win over 400 amateur fights, only lose once, avenge that loss twice, and win gold in every tournament you ever entered and the only time he didn't he won silver

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One solitary silver medal in an ocean of gold

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I get that there are a lot of brainwashed fans out there who when I claim Loma would've been a six weight champ had he turned pro at the same age as Shakur, again, bare minimum, they're like nah, he ain't good enough to achieve that but these people are complete morons (not aiming this at you) and they can't be taken remotely seriously. Loma would've been even more dominant against opponents his size and smaller and he would EASILY have achieved this had he turned pro much younger than he did.

Shakur with his ''incredible skills'' had just over a third of the amateur fights as Loma did and lost 13 times and Loma fought at the highest level much longer


How in god's name doesn't Loma become at least a three weight champ by the age Shakur is now if he turned pro at the same age? It makes zero sense and unlike Shakur he would do it in his opponent's backyards or on the road vs opponents his size

Shakur became a three weight champ by beating Joet Gonzalez, Herring and De Los Santos. Loma would knock out or stop all of them

 

Thanks. Well said

Yeah, it's incredibly tedious having to explain this all again and again and deal with such ignorant opinions when deep down they all know I'm right and that I'm not being remotely unreasonable. But instead of admitting it and just saying you've made a very good point or points they try and make out I'm the bad guy and are mad at me for bringing up this issue and explaining things they choose to conveniently ignore or dismiss because their favs are not the ones fighting on this heavily stacked and unfair deck nor ever will and getting robbed of a huge part of their legacies all the time

I've never once tried to argue that robberies and corruption don't occur everywhere it's the stacking of the deck with a home ref and three home judges the majority of the time for world title fights between home and away fighters in the US which only happens over there which I'm against and so should they be too. Plenty of it occurs over here in the UK for goodness sake

They watch these foreigners get robbed time and time again over there often in legacy defining fights and they're totally OK with it because all that matters is that their boys get the win via hook or crook and I don't just mean American fans but also fanboys of American fighters from other parts of the world

Don't get me wrong, loads of American fans call it out when foreigners get robbed over there and I'm referring to a section of them not all

Everyone with a semi-functioning brain knows that the chances of you losing in your opponent's backyard, whether via hook or crook, are that much higher and the chances of you getting robbed by the judges or stitched up by the ref are way higher than they are at home in your comfort zone on a deck stacked in your favour.

Why would anyone with an ounce of integrity even attempt to argue otherwise and deny this? Because they simply don't care because it it's not their favs being robbed all the time or fighting on a deck stacked so heavily against then


There are many different factors which combine to make it so and, as said, just individual ones can and often do mean the difference between winning and losing, becoming a champion, a unified or undisputed one or losing your belt or belts.

Even things like ring size can make a huge difference. Notice how many were freaking out about Turki's comments regarding a smaller ring. How incredibly unfair but a home ref and three home judges for world title fights for their boys so often is perfectly fair and nothing to see here

Refs allowing the A side or home fighter to octopus grab all night or foul the crap out of their opponents has meant the difference between god knows how many fighters winning and losing

Not counting legit KDs or counting bogus ones or administering long or short counts has too

There are so many ways you can stack and rig the deck but you can also stack it to the extent you're rolling with loaded dice when so much or everything is in your favour. The promoter, the refs, the judges play tag-team to ensure they secure the desired result.