Shakur Stevenson is the best boxer in the world

We know he had bad career management

We also know he was a legacy fighter who dared to be great and that he was extremely unlucky and that the only reason he lost to Salido is because of corruption raising its ugly head again when one of the most corrupt refs in the game who is infamous for being so allowed Salido to literally foul Loma nonstop from first bell to last punching him in the plums, hips, thighs and almost kneecaps with well over 50 low blows, over a third of Salido's total punch connects, many so flagrant Ray Charles could've seen them a mile away on a dark night,

And Cole didn't even issue Salido a hard warning when the correct course of action was to DQ his cheating ass, and at an absolute bare minimum multiple point deductions. Had he just deducted 1 point the fight would've been a draw. Do you think a 1 point deduction for over 50 low blows is fair?

And then when Loma had Salido in big trouble in round 11 IIRC Cole allowed Salido to hold like crazy and then tried to buy Salido some time. In the next round Salido literally cracked Loma with a sequence of three very low blows one after the other right in full view of Cole who did nothing. Roy, Lampley, and Kellerman couldn't believe what they were seeing. It was a complete stitch up job

Loma outlanded Salido by 22 punches, over a third of Salido's scoring punches were low blows. How the hell can get out landed by 22 punches and win when over a third of your punches were illegal?

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He was robbed against Haney too. Of the 118k fans who voted in FightHub's poll (read that again because it's by far the largest poll I've ever seen for a fight) only 17 or 18k had Haney winning

Including your boy Shakur

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I wish Loma did turn pro earlier and I wish he's based himself in a different country when he did

I'm not asking you to retroactively speculate what Loma would of done. It's painfully obvious he would've won titles at 115, 118, 122 had he turned pro at the same age as Shakur. For some strange reason you doubt this even though you claim to be a fan of his and consider him the 4th best fighter of the generation. I've explained to you in great detail why he so obviously would. It shouldn't even be a controversial take if you just apply common sense

Do you think Shakur would've turned pro at 126 if he was almost 26 when he turned pro?

If he turned pro at almost 26 at 135 and then went on to become a three weight champion and I was to then say to you he wouldn't have been able to turn pro at a much lower weight had he turned pro at 19 and win world titles in those lower weight divisions, and remember there are 4 belts in each division, what would you say?

And we already know what Loma was able to achieve after turn pro at almost 26 against a much higher level of opposition than Shakur has fought, way more world champions than Shakur has fought, a lot more punchers and KO artists, many bigger, much or way bigger than him, in his opponent's backyards or on the road

Whilst putting up the best plus minus numbers since Floyd and being amazing offensively and defensively and still retaining the #3 spot on the plus minus stats even when old and past his prime having spent the last half of his career campaigning at what would be at least his 6th weight had he turned pro at the same age Shakur did

Whilst routinely facing opponents much or way bigger than him with big/huge or obscene weight and reach advantages over him which lowered his still incredible plus minus numbers significantly and will lower Shakur's if he ends up facing opponent routinely who are much or way bigger than him with huge reach advantages

Including having fought a whopping 7 world champions alone at that weight in his 10 fights at that weight and winning 3 of the 4 belts at that weight individually in his 1st, 3rd, and 4th fights at the weight would've won his 2nd one if the champ he was set to face didn't pull out with an injury, and then getting robbed of becoming undisputed at 35 y/o in that weight class in the backyard of an opponent who weighed 4 divisions more than him with a massive reach advantage

People don't have to agree with me even though it's so obviously pure common sense and he would've EASILY done so but all I ask is they be reasonable or stop being obtuse and ignorant and put their hate or ignorance aside and just acknowledge that the reason why he is so tiny for his third weight class which we could all see and so many of these multiple weight three weight champs are not is because, duh, he turned pro way later and was never a weight bully

And when they crap on him for losing in his 3rd weight class to opponents who were massive weight bullies fighting at their 1st weight and were much or way bigger than him to understand it would be at least his 6th weight class has he turned pro the same age as those fighters did who FTR both lost or git their asses kicked in their 1st or 2nd weight class, weight classes they were huge or massive for against opponents they were bigger than or at worst the same size, let alone lose in their 6th weight class in their opponent's backyards on a heavily stacked deck who were much or way bigger than them

 

He could've fought at 147 against opponents his own size if he wanted to and KO'd Spence which I'm very confident he would if Spence had given him a shot. He hits way too hard for Spence

Massive weight bullies could chose to fight against opponents their size too instead of picking on leprechauns

Many other fighter chose to do that or dare to be great against bigger or much bigger opponents and they should be commended for it and certainly receive much more credit for becoming multi-weight champs than massive weight bullies do

Anyway, this has gone on far too long. I've made my point and it doesn't need to go on any longer

 

I'll have to break this down individually and I've already explained in detail why he so obviously would've and it's incredibly tedious

Firstly, I'll address your assertion that Loma would not have been able to turn pro at 115 had he turned pro at 19 y/o

He was campaigning at 51kg with same day weigh ins four months before his 19th birthday which is 112lbs

He had a growth spurt and was up at 57kg a year later which is 125 pounds when 4 months away from his 20th birthday, again with same day weigh ins, but he wouldn't have been able to cut down to 115 when he was able to cut 12lbs when he was 3 months past his 27th birthday?

And that's assuming he actually weighed 125 when he moved up to 125 (which I strongly suspect he didn't back then) at almost 20 y/o and wasn't coming in under the limit or even well under it

National amateur boxing coaches and the national selection committee have members of the squad boxing in weight classes which are not their natural one sometimes because they want other members of the squad who they think stand the best chance of securing medals in major championships and other tournaments to represent the national squad in these tournaments too and there's competition for places at the same weights.

So for example, the Russian national selection committee had Beterbiev boxing up at HW when he weighed way under the HW limit because they wanted his teammate to compete at LHW instead. He was like 85kg competing at 9lkgs

How was Crawford able to cut down to 135 and rehydrate 18lbs at 27 y/o?

How is he able to cut down to 154 and rehydrate back up 16lbs a month before his 37th birthday?

How is Haney able to rehydrate 20-25lbs after weigh ins?

How are so many fighters able to easily rehydrate 10-11lbs or double or more than that when they're in their teens to their mid or late 30s?

But Loma at 19 y/o could not cut down to 115 rehydrating 10lbs when he could do more than that at 27 y/o? And like I said, I very much doubt he was even coming in as high as 125 back then

I showed you the photo of Loma standing next to Inoue when he was 32 and at 135 and Inoue was at 118

Shakur said a 35 y/o Loma looked like a 126 pounder when he bumped into him in the gym and that he felt way bigger than him even though he had just moved up to 135


So do you agree Loma could've turned pro at 115 when he was 19 yes or no?

I'll address the rest of your points when you can concede that I'm obviously right

 

He wasn't cutting down and then rehydrating weight for 3-5 round fights it was same day weigh ins

And he did cut down and rehydrate 12lbs for 12 round fights at 26 and 27 y/o fighting at a high pace throughout

Loma has always had a great gas tank fighting with a ''young man's style'' whether young or old

He hurt Salido and had him in big trouble in round 12

Had GRJ in trouble in the dying seconds of round 12

KO'd Linares in round 10

Dropped Campbell in round 11 and had him in big trouble

Knocked out Kambosos in round 11

And he dropped Pedraza x 2 in round 11 and came within a whisker of stopping him after going ham on him punching pretty much nonstop

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He was fighting at 112 with same day weigh ins four months before his 19th birthday but you don't think he could turn pro at 115 at 19?

He could've turned pro at an even lower weight if he wanted to. I said 115 bare minimum

Even if he had to cut down from 125 when he was at featherweight in the amateurs, and like I said, I very much doubt he was even coming in at 125 back then at 19, he would've had to cut 10lbs to make 115 and he was able to rehydrate 12lbs at 27 y/o. He's very small framed always has been

How can Crawford who has been massive, very big, or big at every weight class he's fought, rehydrate 18-16lbs in four weight classes from his early 20s to 37 y/o but Loma can't rehydrate 10lbs at 19 y/o but he can rehydrate more than that at 27?

10lbs is nothing, let alone at 19 y/o. The vast majority of fighters rehydrate that much even when in their mid to late 30s but Loma is incapable of it at 19?

 

Draining yourself to cut 115 when you're 19 and much smaller than you are at 26-27 is not much harder. He was fighting at 112 four months before his 19th birthday with SAME DAY WEIGH INS. That's 3lbs less than the weight he would have to make with 24 hour weigh ins

So Loma is the only fighter who cannot rehydrate 10lbs at 19 y/o and he very likely wouldn't have even weighed 125 and had to cut 10lbs. But other fighters can rehydrate 20-25lbs in their mid 20s, 30s and late 30s

 

I didn't say he would've won a world title at 19 as soon as he turned pro. I believe he could of because he was that talented but that's not what I'm claiming here

He was the world junior champion at 16

And at 20 he won Olympic gold only conceding a combined 13 points in whole tournament (5 fights)

World Amateur gold whilst only conceding a combined 7 points in the entire tournament (5 fights) despite having a broken hand, only conceding 1 point in 3 of his fights, and 2 points in the other 2, including beating Shakur's best win Oscar Valdez 12-1

And European gold whilst only conceding 4 points in the entire tournament (4 fights)

That's absolutely freakish

He won Olympic gold, World Amateur gold, and European gold whilst only conceding 24 points in total across the three biggest major tournaments and he had a broken hand in one of them.

Do you understand how insane that is? That's whilst being an aggressive fighter too

So that's what he was capable of at 20 y/o and he'd only suffered 1 loss in his life then and of course it was the only loss of his amateur career. Shakur suffered 13 losses in the amateurs before turning pro at 19

And Shakur didn't become a world champion until he was 22. He became a three weight champion at 26 but you don't think Loma could've if he turned pro at 19?

A 20 y/o Loma could've easily won a world title given how amazing he was in the amateurs at that age, let alone at 22.

He wouldn't need any seasoning he had way more than enough amateur bouts by then and he was seasoned enough. He could've turned pro at 19 and had 11 pro fights and fought for the world title like Shakur did but he really wouldn't have needed that many