Shakur Stevenson is the best boxer in the world

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Joeywill, Jul 13, 2025 at 3:05 PM.


  1. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

    7,816
    10,334
    Jun 10, 2012
    I disagree with the 10-2 or 11-1 score cards.
    Zepeda at least won 3 of the first 6 and I thought he won round 8 before losing narrowly every rounds after that.
    So 8-4 Stevenson is the fairest score IMO
    I could see 7-5 if you favour Zepeda aggression in the early rounds or 9-3 if you just a Shakur nut huggers..
     
  2. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,152
    2,071
    Aug 2, 2021
    I have no idea what you're talking about but Shakur Stevenson won the fight easily
     
    AdamT likes this.
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    27,955
    12,765
    Jan 4, 2008
    Yeah, he seems to have that problem. Credit to him for wanting these fights.
     
    AdamT likes this.
  4. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,917
    13,119
    Dec 2, 2012
    Shakur might not even be the best boxer in his division.
     
    MidniteProwler likes this.
  5. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

    74,704
    39,010
    Jan 22, 2015
    116-112 for Shakur was my score as well.
     
    gollumsluvslave, AdamT and pincai like this.
  6. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,628
    3,067
    Sep 30, 2021
    So? It's strategically smart to pull your foot off the gas pedal to regain some energy in middle rounds, so that you can continue beating your opponent in the 2nd half of the fight. That's what Shakur did, and it doesn't change the fact that he's a great fighter.
     
    AdamT likes this.
  7. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

    7,816
    10,334
    Jun 10, 2012
    I mainly stated that I disagree with the judges scorecard and a few over here that agree with those scores. It was a highly competitive fight. In no way that I said that it is a wrong tactic or shakur is not a good fighter. This fight is quite similar with Oscar vs Floyd. I actually thought Zepeda did better than Oscar but didn’t get rewarded because he is not as big of a name.
     
  8. LoveThis

    LoveThis Sweet Science Full Member

    180
    229
    Feb 20, 2025
    Happy to see @Serge, @CST80 and a majority are maintaining sanity in this thread.

    Stevenson is really good but he has to grow as a fighter in order to surpass the liked of usyk, inoue, crawford (though it's been a while that we've seen him...) or bivol.

    Even if we forget the heap of stats and explanations @Serge delivered you can just look at the zepeda fight and see that stevenson is far from flawless.

    He was really good at switching his defenses when under pressure/out of gas, he used the philly shell as long as it worked and when zepeda started to find the right shots he switched to a quick attack, spun him around and went for a run and then went to high guard. So he gave him a lot of different looks at the right time.

    But his philly shell is not remotely as good as floyd's. Almost no movement and his feet are standing still. Mayweather used to move fluently on his feet even while using the shoulder roll. And shakurs counters from the shoulder roll can not compare, either.

    Secondly, he has speed, precision and timing with his punches but he lacks power/force and volume. Essentially he won against zepeda because zepedas precision and timing was not good enough and he went for sheer volume of punches. Have a more precise puncher and it gets interesting.

    Punch resistance does not seem to be amazing to me either. He had this little scare with the jab hitting him and when gassed he looked vulnerable to me, too and his volume dropped immensely in order not to risk too much, I think.

    And of course pound for pound is for fighters that actually achieve a lot compared to their weight. Usyk is in heavy, bivol fights guys like zurdo and beterbiev (has bullied usyk in the amateurs), inoue is a nimble gnome compared to his opponents, crawford has stellar skills and ring iq that shakur still needs to showcase.

    So shakur should be considered p4p top 10 but not top 5 yet. Probably enters when the current top 5 leave boxing.

    But he might also go the haney way and fall from grace after losing to a de los santos type. Maybe schofield or mason a few years down the line.

    I say respect to zepeda for taking a very difficult matchup. Respect to stevenson for how he started the fight and I hope we get the relevant matchups for stevenson. If he beats someone like teofimo when teofimo has a good night then we can compare that to usyk beating fury or bivol beating beterbiev :)
     
    Serge and CST80 like this.
  9. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,152
    2,071
    Aug 2, 2021
    The punch resistance thing you just made up
    There's no reason for you to think that Shakur Stevenson doesn't have good punch resistance
     
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2025 at 5:01 AM
    LoveThis, Pimp C and AdamT like this.
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    79,077
    128,903
    Jul 21, 2009

    Thanks and well said

    Shakur is slick and American and therefore when he hits gloves and arms they're scoring punches but when his opponents do they're not and it's further proof of his defensive genius.

    Biviol gets hit less than him but barely anyone even noticed how good defensively he is, let alone credited him for it or deem him a defensive genius, Shakur gets the credit for his being so from the outset though

    He can also receive way more credit for beating C levels and the same opponents or exact same level of opposition or worse as non-American fighters and have very close or competitive tough affairs described as ''masterful performances'' and ''shutouts'' and scored as such by his three home judges

    He doesn't need to actually prove himself vs the elite for the ''but you're overrating your favs, non-Americans, or fighters from the former Soviet union'' crowd or fight in his opponent's backyards on a deck stacked against him or beat world champs and top contenders bigger, much or way bigger than him in divisions he's small or tiny for to warrant being hailed as the best, a P4P great or skyrocketed up the P4P rankings. It's just handed to him on a silver platter

    It is what it is
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    79,077
    128,903
    Jul 21, 2009
    Another example of the glaring double standards

    Regarding Loma ''ducking'' Shakur

    Loma has fought GRJ in the US with a US ref and 3 US judges

    Teofimo in the US with a US ref and 3 US judges

    Haney in the US with a home ref and 3 US judges

    He also fought Pedraza, Martinez, Sosa, Ortiz in the US with a home ref and three home judges

    And a Ukrainian fighting a Mexican (Salido) in Texas is tantamount to a home match for the Mexican. Hence why Salido was allowed to get away with blue murder and well over 50 low blows without so much as a hard warning, let alone pts deducted or being DQ'd which he 100% should've

    All bar 2 of those were bigger, much bigger, or way bigger than him

    And he's already been robbed x 2 over in the US and screwed over by judges a bunch of times

    One of the three home judges scored the GRJ fight a draw. Loma won 10 rounds and beat the crap out of GRJ

    One of the three home judges scored the Teofimo fight 119-109 to Teofimo despite Loma clearly sweeping most of the rounds in the 2nd half of the fight

    One of the judges (granted Nakatani is obviously not from the US) gave Nakatani 2 rounds vs Loma despite the fight being a one-sided brutal massacre and Nakatani not winning a single second of the fight

    He's fought Teofimo and Haney, both of whom a lot or way bigger than him in their backyards with home refs and three home judges, and would've fought Twink over there under the same conditions long ago had Twink not shamelessly ducked him for like 7 years and only shown any interest in fighting him, as Loma predicted he would long ago, when Loma was old and past his prime

    So that's two of the ''Four Kings'' he's fought and it would be three had Twink not ducked like crazy despite the deck being heavily stacked in his favour, both of whom much bigger than him in what would be bare minimum Loma's 6th weight class had he turned pro at the same ages they all did, not his 1st weight class like 135 is for Teofimo and Haney or 2nd or 3rd as it is for the others :facepalm:

    But none of the other ''Four Kings'' or rather Five have fought each other sans Ryan vs Twink and Haney and that ''King'' Ryan just lost to bum Rolly

    Despite the fact they're all bigger, much or way bigger than Loma, all are or were roughly the same size as each other or much closer in size to each other than he is, and would all be fighting each other on a much more even playing field than he was/would be vs them in their own country with home refs and home judges, not in a foreigner's country on a heavily stacked deck

    Loma got to fight all the bigger, much or way bigger killers in their backyards/countries on a heavily stacked deck where he has already been robbed of a huge part of his legacy twice and been screwed over by their thieving judges many times, but they don't have to fight each other on a even playing field in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd weight class where the chances of them getting robbed are far less

    And not only that Loma is supposed to return to the scene of the crime against their best not only once but at least twice (vs Twink and Shakur) when old and well past his prime where he would likely need a KO to come away with a SD loss so they can rob him again. Are you kidding me?

    Hey, Loma come over here and let us rob you of a huge part of your legacy again and play by a set of rules we don't expect our boys to ever play by and never will once in their entire careers. The hell is wrong with some of you? :facepalm:

    So Loma has done something x 7, fighting his US opponents in the US with a stacked deck of home ref and three home judges, that none of them have ever done once in their career or ever will for world title fights

    In fact, name me one current American fighter who has fought a single world title fight in their foreign opponent's country with a home ref and three home judges, let alone one who has done it six times?

    This should be fun :lol:
     
    LoveThis and Pepsi Dioxide like this.
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    79,077
    128,903
    Jul 21, 2009
  13. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,152
    2,071
    Aug 2, 2021
    No LHW throws as many punches as Zepeda so its not really an apples to apples comparison saying that Bivol gets hit less
     
  14. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,152
    2,071
    Aug 2, 2021
    Some of this is true but Lomachenko ducked Shakur Stevenson to fight George Kambosos in his last fight
    I understand it because Lomachenko wanted to go out with a basically sure win in a fair well fight. Lomachenko probably wouldve retired had he gotten the decision vs Haney (and if there was a rematch and he won then after that fight)

    As far as Lomachenko getting robbed 2x im not sure what you are referring to. I thought he beat Haney but lost to Lopez pretty clearly (best I can see is a draw and even that is being extremely generous to Lomachenko) and the scorecard vs Salido was fair even if the officiating and circumstances of the fight werent.

    Lomachenko and his teams ego was too big. He shouldnt have tried to fight for a world title in his 2nd fight. It was too much too soon.
     
  15. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,152
    2,071
    Aug 2, 2021
    As far as your point about US fighters not fighting overseas. Why would they? All the money is in America until recently with the Saudi Money.

    People on this forum give Lomachenko and Usyk and others way too much credit for fighting overseas. Like why wouldnt they? They want to make money.

    Its a nice feat but greatly exaggerated on this forum. Theyre professional boxers the crowd can only play so much of a factor.

    Dubious knocked out Joshua when 90+% was there in favor of Joshua. Ruiz did the same.

    Its boxing

    No reason to think Stevenson cant do something like that
     
    Pimp C and AdamT like this.