Shall We Try And Actually Sort Some Top P4P Fighters?

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  1. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definitely not me :good

    I have Benny at 8 though.
     
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  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those three are undisputable for me, it just gets me when people start bringing up Willie Pep like he has some divine right to be top 10, if someone has Pep and not Calzaghe (the superior one weight fighter) they are a complete lunatic
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Go away.
     
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  4. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You're list is gorgeous. No Langford though? Also, I'd reshuffle your top three but I understand this is just personal taste.

    I may be inclined to dispute Charles' position as a lock. Master boxer though he was he only dominated one weight class meaningfully. I know part of this was the war (middle).

    I've also heard mutterings here and there that Charles was a fighter involved in business - it is true is it not that all the close decisions he was involved in went his way early doors? Certianly i've heard speculation about both the 1st Burley fight and the Moore battles. That's a house of cards though.

    I'm not concinced Benny is a lock either. Care to make a brief case?
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But do you really consider your number eight a lock?

    Let me provide a quick example. My #8 heavy is Hollyfield. #11 - now outside the top ten - is Foreman. But there really isn't that much between them. It's quite possible that they'll swap places entirely in a years time as I gather new info and see new fights.

    But Ali, Louis and Liston who are in my top 3 will probably never be outside my top five. See what I mean?
     
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  7. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see your point and I can't argue with you about having Benny outside the top 10. I do believe Leonard deserves to be Top 10, right now I have him 8 but in one month he could be number 10 or number 5 (according to your very good standard).
     
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd love to see the case made for Hopkins being top ten all time.

    Heck I'd love to see the case for him being top 30 all time.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I may have been a little facetious with my selection of fighters; the point is that we are after locks here rather than greats.

    I rate Hopkins in some pretty serious company though. And he's not done yet.
     
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    Buck Smith, of course
     
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  11. Nemesis

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    On opposition faced, i am with C_H_J, regarding placing Pep in a top ten, he doesnt deserve to be there...

    But if were talking about peoples opinions of him (who saw him in his prime), then that is different altogether
     
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    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair enough, I think it's somewhat difficult to have him right at the pinnacle of the sport, but he is no doubt a great fighter.
     
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    His skill level was excellent and his style unique, although he still lost a fair number of rounds against some severely outclassed opposition
     
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    He was fighting every five minutes, of course he's going to lose some rounds. He wasn't on a two-fights-a-year schedule like Calzaghe, who gets as long as he wants to prepare for a fight.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    And sometimes STILL can't be bothered to turn up for the fight.
     
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