Shall We Try And Actually Sort Some Top P4P Fighters?

i'd say my top 8 are definately lock for the top 10, atleast for me. They were special and so were there achievements. I am a huge fan of #9 and #10 but their places are arguable

 

If you knew it was false then why bring it up?

 

Ross won 3 titles in 3 weight divsions, Also Ross's has fought Canzi, Armstrong, McLarin, Petrolle, Sammy Fulllmer, Battalino, Garcia, Klick, and others. He should be in the top 3 in his gaining 3 weight divsion titles alone. Since VERY few fighters did it before Ross(Only Cani, Fitz and Berg did it before Ross).

Ross and not Armstrong held 3 titles at the same time FIRST.

 

I don't think Duran belongs into Top 10.
Buchanan - good win, but not really great.
Lost to De Jesus in his prime (yes, avenged twice, but still).
Palomino - good, but previous loss to Benitez and the retirement after this bout diminishes the significance of this win.
Leonard 1-2 (extremely close win the 1st time, with awful 'no mas' loss in rematch)
Benitez 0-1
Laing 0-1 (hurting Duran's legacy badly, Lainge coming off a loss to Reggie Ford earlier same year, and losing by knockout the next bout)
Cuevas (no significant achievements after his upset loss to Stafford, meaning he was obviously on the downslide and rusty, diminishes the weight of this win)
Hagler 0-1 (not as close as the judges had it)
Hearns 0-1 (devastating loss)
Sims 0-1 (Sims was held to a draw in the next bout by a tomato can)
SD against tomato can Lanas before a close win over primitive Barkley

 

Ross was a fantastic fighter and is highly underrated. His 74-4-3 record is amazing for the day, and he beat some quality opponents on his way to achieving that. Jimmy McLarnin, Tony Canzoneri and Billy Petrolle, all Hall of Famers, were beaten twice each. Then there's Battling Battalino, another Hall of Famer, and Joe Gnouhly, Sammy Fuller, Frankie Klick, Baby Joe Gans, Ceferino Garcia and Izzy Jannazzo who were all excellent contenders. Barney Ross beat a fine roster and did it all while hardly losing himself. Tony Canzoneri isn't far behind.

 

Although I agree with this, as long as he gets times to recuperate, a fighter of Pep's quality should walk through average fighters.

And to answer the question, I'd pick only 3 to be locks. Robnson, Greb and Amstrong. My list changes all the time, and right now, Duran isn't in my top 10 for example, on the basis that every serious contender for an ATG list, beat him. I don't think his resume against the elite is strong enough.

 

I've got two aboslute locks for consensus top 10 p4p. Sugar Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong.

 

I don't have a current all-time ranking, nor can I remember the last time I even bothered to compile one. But if I was to do a ranking, the names of Langford, Robinson, Greb, and Armstrong would be the only guys I'd be confident in saying are a "lock" on such a top ten list from me.

 

Interesting discussion. I am surprised by people coming down so hard on Willie Pep. He looks amazing to me. I would say that Robinson, Duran, Armstrong, and Pep are sure top 10 fighters. Greb is a definite contender. So is Chavez.

 

Greb a define contender ? Many thinks he can be number one of all time...

You don't know much about Greb if you claim he was only a contender like Chavez (who is top 20 in my opinion).

 

Absolutely agree regarding the people not ranking Ali in there top tens, Imo they show a clear bias because of his worldwide popularity.

 

He's well inside mine

 

Agreed JT, for pure variety of opponent and beating the consensus best era in heavyweight history, then that does it alone. Add in the fact that he looks brilliant on film and compares favourably with all the other heavies, he is should be top 5.

 

Ali looks brilliant on film? Most of his fights are boring!