Shane Mosley After Sparring GGG "He hits like a light heavyweight"

Hagler beat Mugabi, Hearns, Duran, Antuofermo and using the Kovalev Formula, he beat Sugar Ray Leonard too. Using Hagler as a comparison to GG, does your argument no favours at all. All four (legit wins) are levels above anyone GG has beaten to date...

 

The Gggoons and their fantasy outcomes..

Guess what, Ggg would not dismantle any top fighter because Ggg doesn't fight top fighters. Top fighters weigh too much, weigh too little, don't bring enough money, or want more money.

 

Well we'll have to agree to disagree somewhat here. Could he have done more? Yes he could, especially early on when he was waiting around for Sturm and the other German 'world' champs to find their balls.

I think we can agree he would have fought Sturm, Slyvester, Abraham in a heartbeat with AA the only one of those guys who fought decent opposition at that time. None of those guys wanted anything to do with him.

He signed up to fight Pirog who again I think we can agree was a good fighter.

Martinez and then Cotto didn't want to know. Again, I don't think that's too controversial as is the fact the he was ducked by Quillin and until recently Jacobs who couldn't put off his mando challenge any further.

He made himself mandatory for Canelo's title who paid him step aside money and then reneged on his end of the bargain after fighting Khan before wasting more time with Liam Smith.

Eubank Jr. lost his pen at the last minute and BJS doesn't want to fight anyone with a pulse let alone GGG.

Paul Williams suffered a tragic accident otherwise I have no doubt he'd have been in the mix.

I can't quite remember what happens with Andy Lee but I seem to remember there was some bereavement involved somewhere with Andy as much as I like him second tier at best anyway.

Korobov got himself knocked out trying to step up to world level.

From 154 there are a number of guys who could have easily come up being big for the weight who for whatever reason haven't as of yet. It'd have been real easy for Trout, Lara and the Charlos to come up and start beating the drum for a big showdown yet none have made the move to 160.

That right there is a long list of guys who haven't fought Golovkin for one reason or another with the fault mostly laying with the opponents.

I also find it hard to believe Degale could make 160 and if he did would value the win about as much as I did Wars's demolition of Dawson which isn't very much.

Re. Fighting at 168 it would have been great to see him acclimatise to the weight - like Ward did for Kovalev - with high quality entries into the division against JCC and Froch but again neither were seriously interested and Ward wasn't willing to hang around even if they were.

Thus a mixture of managerial incompetence, circumstance and in the case of a couple of the above a severe fear of losing has led to Golovkin being where he is today and that's between a Canelo and a hard place.

 

Sorry bro...you don't get to assign any type or lienage anywhere. But I get what you are saying. Here's what you and A LOT of others need to accept. Whether you or I agree on who's a champ, who is just at titlist, title defenses are title defenses. How many title defenses do you think Hopkins had at MW? And where did you start counting? Because he was NOT the recognized World Champ for all those defenses. But he sure has the record now.

 

I wanted you to say the first sentence lol. You're exactly right so how does GG become the lineal champion? It can't be handed to him. And the same goes for Hop. Hops title lineage started when he beat the lineal mw champion. I'm tired of the trinkets and I'm bringing the old school thinking back.

 

I think it's 3 more fights until Golovkin breaks the record for most consecutive MW World Title defenses.

 

And Hagler's best win is still a Light Middleweight.

 

That's a good question. I see some here still refer to canelo as the lineal MW champ. And maybe he is. But IMO, if you drop your only claim to a division title, and leave the division, then you aren't the lineal champ anymore. But he has WBA, WBC, and IBF. Once upon a time that was all you needed to be the unified champ. Of course now some say you need the WBO to be unified. What's next, needing the IBo as well?

I get what you say on the trinkets. But no matter what posters say, belts matter to the fighters. Hell, Canelo didn't face Liam Smith because he was a top notch fighter afterall. Canelo wanted his belt. I don't know, it's just so convoluted.

BTW, Hopkins didn't defeat any lineal MW champ. He was named the MW champ after defeating Tito IIRC.

 

Ouch! That will bother some on here

 

And I don't disagree with you. But as it stands - and with GG still able to do something about it, of course - resume-4-resume, there's some catching up to do...

 

That's why i said by fighting Jacobs who many consider the number 2 is a step in the right direction and he may be made the new lineal champion. It might not happen since Canelo claims to be staying at MW. Canelo has no claim to the MW title because he refused to fight his mandatory. He's out of the picture imo unless he fights GG and he can't make some months early **** off and say GG should accept that. You negotiate fights.

I've went a step further.

Number 1 and 2 fight and who ever wins is the new lineal MW champion. Historians may see it that way. Tito and Hop were #1 and 2 in the division getting rid of Joppy and Holmes which is why Hop became the lineal MW champion until he lost to Taylor. I hope they make GG the new lineal MW champion IF he beats Jacobs. He shouldn't have to keep beating these guys up because Canelo ran tail tucked.

 

You've posted misinformation about Abraham and Quillin and Jacobs didn't duck GG foh. Stop posting GG dick riding lies. **** nobody keeps it real anymore.

 

Come again?

I did miss out that he was unfortunate that Taylor had made his move up to 168, Zbik was another German ducker and Kelly Pavlik a washed up drunk at that point but can't see how I've disparaged AA. It's not like he showed any interest in a fight before moving up and joining the S6.

Jacobs did keep putting this fight off and Quillin ran from Korobov whilst showing BJS level of commitment to unifying.

 

What happened to you man? You want likes more than keeping it real nowadays??? I want to ****en vomit. Nevermind, what you said was the truth. Carry on.

 

That's how I see it hombre. He could of had a great resume but for the above - some of which is his fault, some others and some nobodies.

Whether or not he's as good as people think he is isn't what I'm looking to address there. He could get Rousey'd by Jacobs and I'd find that the funniest thing ever after the years of hype and numerous ducks because of it but that wouldn't change my opinion that he's been somewhat unfortunate in the way he'd be treated by his fellow middleweights over the years.

I mean apart from Pirog - and perhaps Ward, although he was asking him to jump straight up something he wasn't willing to do himself when he moved up - nobody has really looked like they wanted to step up and end his hype train and that's what that post was about.