Forrest dealt a major blow to Mosley, he fought very different after that beating Forrest gave him the first fight. It's understandable, the body received a lot of trauma in that fight, so it made him more tentative, and less prone to let his hands go. Only flashes of his brilliance showed in the second fight with Winky... but only flashes, still he was broken. Then something happened in the Vargas fights, it looked like he got some of his swagger back in a big way. Still doesnt put his punches together at the rate he did in his prime, but a lot of his ability came back, i guess you can say his confidence was coming back. After that 2nd Vargas fight its like he had new life, wasn't the same shane he was in the hoya first fight, but was the best he had been before being destroyed by Forrest. Shane mosley, I was a big fan of his back in the day, more so a fan of Mayweather back at 130/135, but still I was a huge fan, my brother and I. The biggest shock I had in boxing was seeing Forrest beat the absolute crap out of him. I was pretty down about that, but I knew Forrest was a great guy and he looked unstoppable in that fight. I was happy to see Shane rebound in his later career and happy he did. He was one of the best of his era, and a P4P #1 fighter at his prime. Classy and G, and playa for first having Jin, then having that sexy ass bella. No bitchassness in Mosley. HOF for sure.
RJJ had one of the biggest egos, it's those types who have the hardest times putting the sport behind them -- their aging leaves them broken men trying to chase a prime they will never reach again. Hopefully this doesn't happen to Mayweather, but I have my doubts. He doesnt use God as an excuse to keep fighting like RJJ does.
Imagine his standing in history had either of those gambles paid off? (Winky I or Viper I) :shock: Hell, even if he'd just one won of the rematches. People are too quick to affix him with the same label they do to Oscar, "Oh yeah he was pretty good but lost on his most important nights..." Shane beat Oscar, didn't he? That was an important night.. (and Oscar himself got the job done against some significant opponents) Shame that people overlook how damn good they were - both beasts early on at the lighter weights, destroying competition that wasn't stellar but still respectable and top ranked - and just focus in on their lack of depth of defining victories against big names.
Shane was an absolute G at lightweight and would have hung with all the old timers. Shame Johnston turned down that unification bout, would have helped both their legacies a lot as some feel Mosley's resume was lacking at 135. That first Oscar fight is epic, and the 12th round is just legendary. Equally legendary was the beating he laid down as "the underdog on his way out" against Margarito. That sealed his greatness. HOF bound, no question.
old school was kicking ass for a while now but it seems a few have called it quits.they are all leaving at 40 it seems, jmm will be next hes pushing 40.hopkins will be around for another 1 or 2 tops.the road warrior is about due and in a yr or 2, i give tarver 2yrs tops as well.out with the old in with the new i guess, whats up with holyfield and toney ?
This sentiment is perfectly succinct. Put this in the time capsule and call it the official response of the boxing fan community. :deal
That's the thing! I don't think those gambles could have EVER paid off. Mosley was favored to win both of those. ****, you probably heard me tell this story before. Before Shane's first fight with Vernon I had a dream that Shane got ****ed up! I woke up not being able to believe what I had dreamed (much in the same way I couldn't believe what I actually saw when Lewis beat the **** out of poor Golota). I put money on Forrest. When Shane got hit with that combo after the headbutt that included the uppercut that looked like it broke Shane's neck I watched in disbelief. About 8 rounds later when Shane, quite literally, SCREAMED IN AGONY after getting dug to the body by Forrest....that ****ing fight man! Anyway, my point is say if Shane destroyed Forrest or Winky or beat one of them in lopsided fashion. Shane was on top of the world when he beat Forrest. Big betting favorite (that won me like $200 on a $25 bet I made because of the aforementioned dream, back when I regularly bet small amounts on boxing) against Vernon, and as I recall he was favored to beat Winky still, too. If he had beaten one of them, it may have slipped under the radar. Now that would have been something! I applaud Shane for taking immediate rematches with both, and performing better in each rematch despite still suffering losses in each. The one fight I had ALWAYS wished would happen (especially when both guys were undefeated) was Mosley vs. Trinidad, and I still maintain that was a fight Sugar could have won and perhaps won handily. While I especially wished it would happen before either of them had suffered a professional loss, I was still hoping it would happen according to plan when Shane faced Winky, and it was supposed to after the Winky fight providing Shane beat him. Unfortunately, that derailed the one mega-fight from back in the day I long anticipated, but it just never materialized.
I was so shocked when Shane lost to Forrest. He was on top of the WORLD after beating Oscar. Catapaulted to P4P #1, and just beat the crap out of his title challengers. I understood their amateur history but people don't understand how highly Mosley was thought of at the time. Getting compared to Ray Robinson even, I give props to Mosley for trying to avenge his amateur loss, but that loss does hurt his legacy sadly. Especially since Forrest looked pretty ordinary against Raul and Mayorga before and after the Shane fights. :-(
Mad respect for Shane Mosley, I always think about what if Mosley got to fight 6heads Lewis before Mayorga got to him. Just because I remember at the time they were talking about him either fighting Lewis or Forrest then moving up to 154.
If Shane has chosen his opponents as carefully as many fighters do these days, he'd likely have maybe just 2 or 3 losses.
I never understood why he didn't target 6 Heads Lewis either. He easily could have made that fight at the time I'd think. As turbotime mentioned, he was P4P #1 and he was kicking major ass after the Oscar win. The funny thing is, if Shane managed his career the way a guy like Roy Jones did, he may have remained undefeated much longer.
Thank goodness. I'm glad he didn't get added to Alexander's resume after all, even though I thought he had a good chance at winning that one.