Shane Mosley passed the URINE test!!!!

hes a medical student who found out blood can be drawn from other places other than the arm, and concluded that manny must be taking steroids.

respect him :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

good then I take back the bad thing I said about you
nope Im just stating the facts, the boxing commissions urine test is out dated.. Floyd know it , pac know, every one in boxing knows it .

Pac could be taking something totally legal but because the commission is so far behind the time, pac could test positive.

why because of the boxing commission lac of knowledge in this area.. A perfect example is roy jones who tested positive for roid only to be taking ripped fuel which is not illegal nor is it on the black list of the commission.

the bottom line is both fighter are taking advantage of holes in the system and pac should not cry if someone one is playing him with the same deck he's playing with. Up until this point both fighter have been writing their own rules. so if your playing dirty, you can't al of a sudden call foul..

 

I agree, and James Toney tested positive for prescribed steroids. But.... Why now? Why Pacman? Is Floyd really out to improve boxing as a whole? I'm not a chemist and don't know everything that is detected by blood or urine. I've heard conflicting stories... The one thing I've seen fairly often is that if urine is properly tested by an informed tech who knows what to look for, it's great.

He's playing mind games and it may be working.

 

You obviously are using these drugs and misinformed as well.

Here's 10 second search on how one of the drugs (I could start looking individually at the drugs you listed but won't be bothered) you listed as undetechable in urine.

These article is exactly how Andronosterone is tested in laboratory.

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Hydroxyandrosterone, 11-ketoandrosterone, etiocholane3ar, 11,!3-
dial-17-one, and etiocholan3a-ol-11,17-dione have been found in urine
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in viva. These results
clearly demonstrate the reduction in tivo of the steroid 11-keto group to
the lip-hydroxy group. By a consideration of the relative quantities of
the metabolic products isolated, it would appear that the 11-oxygen function
favors the reduction of the 4,5 unsaturation (of steroid ring A) to the
C-5 trans (androstane) configuration.
Employment in this study of paper chromatography for the isolation in
quantity of the urinary 17-ketosteroids and their partial identification
demonstrates the usefulness and convenience of this new technique in the
study of this class of ketosteroids.​

 

My mistake!

Shane admitted to taking EPO but still does not change the fact that USADA has bad record detecting this drug!!!

This is an article regarding validating the USADA laboratories testing using both urine and blood for EPO pre 2008 where Mosley doping occurred in 2003 with summary to the result as follows :

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Given these and other findings, the researchers conclude that improvements in the current rHuEpo test are necessary, or that alternative tests should be developed. This however, seems unlikely to occur before major events scheduled for 2008 like the Tour de France or the Olympic Games in Beijing.

The article validating the laboratory being used by WADA.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080626100921.htm

So retrospectively, the existing technology at that time has a very small chance to catch Mosley.

 

these design drugs are taken in low doses, what you are reading are in high doses .. If you know how to take the drug you can escape detection, if you don't know what your doing you can hurt yourself or throw your system so far off you get ***** tits.

Again you guys needed to stop getting medical document you really don't understand .. your posting **** that was not design for the general public reading or understanding unless you have a master degree in that field, none of this **** is going to make any since to you .. The best source of information is from the people who actually use these drugs and have field tested this stuff.

 

I don't think Pac has cheated but if he has, then dragging this all out could have been to allow time for his cycle to end, as we all no those who use performance enhancing drugs time there cycle so that it is out of there system, so they avoid getting caught

 

All athletes are questionable until proven innocent. All of them. And how do you prove you're clean? Take the best tests we've got. Nevada's 2 **** tests on fightnight is woefully inadequete.

 

It's hilarious that Mosley denies knowing that he took EPO because he'd have to be insane to not notice all the needles especially with his last dose being 5 days before ODH.

 

huh ??

 

Again, this is just to dispute your claim that the drugs you listed in undetechable by urine.

While true that taking small amounts will most likely not lead to any detction whatsoever, regardless whether it is blood or urine, or using apparently synergistic effects of HGH and steroids (documented studies apparently did not show any performance enhancement with HGH but apparently athletes use it to boost steroid s even at low doses).

The point of the TS is entirely to discredit NSAC as inadequate because Mosley passed the urine test. However, given the circumstances and the time frame when the tests were doen (2003), the likelihood of detection is basically nil even using the WADA or USADA, especially since Mosley was using EPO (see previous post).

And you do not need a master's degree to undertand this, just a medical degree which I actually have!

The thread is myopic because it did not consider the time frame when the test was done. Example, Lance Armstrong was negative throughtout his tour de france test, yet when retested, his earlier specimens of about 8 years or something were questionable. That just tells us that tests improved over time and will keep on improving.

Steroids can easily be testedusing urine specimen, with or with masking agents as these masking agents are tested as well. However, the difficulkty is not because the urine is inadequate but because the test is not included in its parameter simply because it does not test for it being a new drug not yet recognized as PEDS by any body.

If you look up the body-building organization, steroids are listed as to what year it is banned, indicating that they only recognized these drugs at that certain years.
And FYI, Mallege is still an idiot. You want to make a poll?

 

You totally missed the point - the molecules on this roid have been moved so it become a different drug all together but still has the same effect. Some of these designer are unstable which is why you take them in low doses ..

You guys are trying to be too technical, all you need to know if there is a will there is a way to escape detection.. The Web is swarming discussion groups on ways to avoid detection.. The designer I provided in my post was a banned substance until it was re design, hint the name designer enhancer ..

 

Do you think I do not understand. Per se, there is no way to detect these drugs as this goes through first-pass metabolism as well as biotransformation. The test do not detect exactly these substances but t=rather their metabiolites, which is what urine and drug test do.

As to missing the point? which one, the one with Nallege as an idiot or the whole doping thing because you are really losing the plot. The thread is very simple - Mosley passed the test using the NSAC protocol, meaning urine tests. All my replies are consistent to the thread, meaning given the technology at that time, whether the USADA or WADA or NSAC has done the test, Mosley would likely have passed the test.

You started giving list of drugs which may at that time (2003) might not have even existed or tested for. Or may have already been used by cheaters but is not yet being tested for. You see, you can not apply 2009 testing protocol to criticize 2003 tests, because if you ask Mosley to do the doping again today, his likelihood of being tested positive is entirely different.

 

HE was claiming it was "just ripped fuel". Ripped fuel does not give you extraordinary testo levels, testo does. Ever thought Roy just came up with the first excuse that got on his mind ?

 

Those drugs where just created last year 2009 not 2003. I listed those drug to impose upon you how supporter of roids and the rest of the industry continue improve and create new designers performance enhancer and at a cheap price.. Those drug are not on the list and because of that they are sold over the counter . Bush passed a bill in 2007 that would pull products that contained those ingredient, manufacture simply changed the molecules on their product and Bam their back in business and their product are legal.