Shane Trinidad and Miguel De La Hoya -- sad stuff :(

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by paulfv, Nov 11, 2007.


  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What was that?

    It was an even fight through 8 rounds, and then Cotto went into 'retreat' mode, got hurt badly in the 9th round as Mosley carried the action en route to taking the last 4 rounds.

    The difference between this fight and the De La Hoya-Trinidad encounter is that Mosley did not trail far behind Cotto heading into the 9th and the championship rounds.

    For a fight which had Puerto Rico as an official sponsor, the decision was not surprising. Always remember that boxing is a business -- the younger man will be around longer and in the case of Miguel Cotto, has a very strong fan base which will dish out $$$ to watch his fights and is easy to promote.

    Shane is the recipient of the "old guy gets the stiffarm in the decision" treatment which befell Hopkins in his first match with Taylor, and which occurred when James Toney fought Samuel Peter the first time.

    This is far from the first, or last, time which this age-old practice of the younger, more-promotable (and 'hometown') fighter gets the nod over the more deserving veteran. It's just the latest example. And every time it happens, you feel a little sick to your stomach -- much as Cotto did when Mosley sent him on the run to the ropes full-blast after landing a crushing left hook to the body in the 9th round, mere seconds before the ref would call for a wet spot to be wiped off of the floor, giving Cotto precious time to recover.

    Cotto is an excellent fighter, with a bright future.

    That said, his "0" -- rightfully -- should be no more.

    Mosley -- great fight and ALL class after he was treated unfairly by the judges. B-Hop probably told him to expect as much, which might have helped explain why he was so classy after not being awarded the victory he earned in the ring.

    Mosley threw 100 more punches than did Cotto. Shane was the more active fighter. He also outlanded Cotto in power shots. Surprisingly, the 'pressure fighter' Cotto was the one pressed throughout the fight, and particularly during the championship rounds.

    Great night for boxing. Too bad the judges couldn't get the main event or the Casamayor fight scored properly.

    Big ups to Mosely for putting it on the young man at age 36 -- that's why Shane will be in the HOF one day.

    And remember -- boxing is a business before it is a sport. We were reminded of that fact, sadly, last night.


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  2. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Cotto won rounds 9 and 11 on my card. With round 10 even. And Shane winning round 12 only because Cotto did not do anything.
     
  3. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please tell me you're joking about Cotto winning the 9th round. Shane had Cotto very hurt and this was the round Cotto went into "De La Hoya, retreat!" mode.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    What do Rican nuts taste like? Rounds that you have to give to Mosley even if you have Cotto winning - 2,3,9,10
     
  5. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Watched the fight 4 times already. No way did Mosley win that round. Cotto outlanded him. And was outboxing Mosley off the ropes. It was a clear Cotto round. Cotto wasnt hurt at all.
     
  6. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The 9th and 10th were clearly Mosley rounds. If you want to say Cotto stole the 11th with the left hook near the end, ok. I don't agree with that -- Mosley was the aggressor and outworked Cotto in that round -- but, ok.

    But 9 and 10 were all Mosley.

    Dan Rafael -- as he continues to destroy his credibility -- gave the 9th to Cotto. That is embarrassing.
     
  7. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ah, yes. This was the round that Cotto 'took off.' Just had to rewatch it.

    This is when Cotto began his "De La Hoya." Shane pressed the action, demonstrating superior effective aggression and ring generalship -- he made Cotto go on the run.

    My mistake -- I confused the 9th and 10th. The 10th is when Mosley rocked Cotto with the bodyshot.

    Incidentally, Cotto said he was hurt in the 9th round. I'll get a link.
     
  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep, I'm a man of my word. Even though the judges blew it. You always have to take into account where the fight is at and who the judges will naturally favor. A definite mistake on my part.
     
  9. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Im wathching the 9th round right now. How the hell do you guys think Mosley won it? Cotto was landing the cleaner more effective shots. And doing all this while backing up. You guys love scoring for the guy that just moves forward dont you.
     
  10. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Please that was the best round for Mosley in the fight, he had Cotto on his bike and hurt, there was an echo of boos in the PRO COTTO crowd when the ref stopped the fight to clean the canvas, Cotto was in trouble and he knew it.
     
  11. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    More effective? Yeah right you must be seeing a different fight.
     
  12. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here is Cotto saying he was hurt by Mosley in the 9th round, which directly contradicts what "the-what" said above:

    http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=boxing/07/11/11/BOXING_New_York_Quotes.html


    The quote :


    Mosley rallied in the seventh with a big right hook that knocked Cotto's head back and his own fans found their voices in the ninth as their man took the fight to the champion, rocking Cotto back onto the ropes in the dying seconds before landing a left hook to the head to take the round.

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    ," Cotto said of that moment. "Mosley punches real hard and I had to go away for a while but I came back strong."



    From Cotto's own mouth.

    Cotto fought an excellent fight. Just not good enough to have gotten the nod. Another supposed "fact" for Cotto refuted.
     
  13. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    I didnt say anything about Cotto been hurt. He was stunned no doubt. But, Cotto still won round 9.
     
  14. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You said "Cotto wasn't hurt at all."

    Unfortunately, Miguel De La Hoya doesn't agree with you.
     
  15. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hilarious! You edited your last post and are now trying to play the 'stunned' vs 'hurt' card!!!

    Miguel said he was hurt. So are we supposed to believe you or him?

    LOL!

    Miguel is a heck of a fighter. There's no shame for him in not being the better man last night. Although I did not like him running for the last 4 rounds. For a guy who is supposedly all about 'will' and 'wearing you down,' he did not deliver in crunch time, and it cost him the fight.