Shane's career in jeopardy? Has he lost his ATG status?

What Mayweather article? Can't get your mind off him when he's not even in the topic Eze? atsch

Having an opinion isn't wrong you Drama Queen. It's how you form it that makes you an *******.

 

If he's not top 100...where do you have Joe C? :huh

 

He roided up and he is a cheat. He should suffer the same fate as others. He was caught buying roids. He said he took supplements. There is not doubt.

 

Who cares, I would bet most do or have at some point.

If you want to be a sports fan you better come to accept drug use as part of it.

 

Have you got some sort of point?

I've never thought hard into ranking active fighters, its pointless. But since the topic came up, my initial thought is Mosley doesn't make it, but he could be 90-100 somewhere if you are generous

Calzaghe would be around the same area right now, although there is greater scope for improvement.

 

No point. I was simply asking a question. That happens on message boards.

I was just curious to be honest. It's rather difficult to rank Joe C. If based on '"what if's", he might rank higher then if based on actual accomplishments. regardless of who's fault, the fact that Him, Ottke, and Beyer never fought hurts all of them.

 

Shane mosley is a great fighter, a great person, and is one of the most talented fighters of all time. He belongs in the hall of fame, arguably top 100 fighters ever. he was a great lightweight, and without question NOT on steriods then. when he beat hoya the first time, if u look at his body, he was clearly NOT on roids either. the second fight he may have been, and it slowed him down and made him not as good as he is naturally. then after that, he never used steriods again, if he ever did, and still continued to be a fantastic fighter. :deal

 

Let's get serious for a second, Beyer and Ottke don't even come into ATG discussions, so thats a moot point, and Calzaghe beat superior opposition since

Of course I can't rank Joe on what he might do in his next fights. I'm just saying, he could potentially fight Pavlik which would boost him further, whereas I don't know where Shane is going with his career at welter. He got beat by one of the two best fighters there, and his run at the higher weight is now tainted.

 

No, they don't. I agree with you there. But the bad part is, at least for Ottke, Joe C hasn't really done all that more to seperate himself from Ottke.

I don't see how his run @ higher weights is tanted. Going to 154 was as high as he can go. And he was still the recognized 154 World champ. Where ever you rank him, he has to be a few spots ahead of Joe C, just based on accomplishment.

 

I take issue with that :-(

Ottke struggled badly with Mitchell and Brewer, I mean its debateable he even won those fights. Don't even get me started on Robin Reid, Calzaghe beats him by a clear 3 point margin on my card, you could make a case for Reid winning by a similar margin against Ottke if not for the bull**** corruption. So Calzaghe beats the common opposition far more convincingly, doesn't performance even count these days?

The best thing he ever did was have a close fight with Glen Johnson (again there is a distinct whiff of bull****). It doesn't compare to having clear wins over Kessler, Eubank and Hopkins

Calzaghe eventually unified his division, albeit too late, Ottke never even tried. Calzaghe became a 2 weight world champion. There is a chasm seperating the two :|

 

Ottke did unify two belts though. Did so while Joe was only defending his WBO belt. Who beat who by more rounds doesn't really do anything for rankings, IMHO. Too subjective and the lack of common opponents really make that a moot point. Gift wins aside, he was more recognized as the 168 world champ when he and Joe C were both making their defenses. H2H, Calzaghe by a mile.

 

You don't even know what I meant by 'tabloid' poster...and you call me dumb? Go back to holding your breath corky...

 

Is who beat who convincingly really more subjective than who was more 'recognized'? I don't remember Ottke being recognised for ****, except exceptional standards reached in loading gloves, influencing refs, bunging judges and general fraudulent activity

The key is who you beat and how. Calzaghe's best wins of Eubank, Kessler and Hopkins eclipse anything Ottke achieved.