Shannon Brigg vs Archie Moore

During Moore's years as a leading heavyweight contender he used to starve himself down to defend his light-heavy title.
He was 196 1/2 against Nino Valdes.
He generally weighed between 187 and 206 pounds for his heavyweight campaign.
Even against the small Marciano and Patterson he came in at 188.
So I'm not sure why 175 would even enter your head.

You'd favour Byrd over Briggs ...... but think Moore would be destroyed by Briggs ?
I'm not sure if you're trolling.

Talking about Jofre facing welterweights is silly. It's just complicating the issue. Moore DID beat heavyweights.

 

I'd favor Moore i reckon. I think he has enough class to overcome the size differential. Some people also don't realise how hard he could actually whack.

 

really? i didn't know that. thankyou for the in depth analysis.

stopping bivins x2 is probably the most relevant achievment, but neither was a ko or tko and both were late in the fights. so i don't see this as any sort of early stoppage for moore, let alone that being the obvious result. given the state briggs was in at the end of the vitali fight i'm going to pick him to stay in there vs moore.

 

Moore was known to be a man who'd knock out the guys with limited skills.
Briggs had poor stamina and limited skills.
Moore would take him to school and KO him.

Obviously talking about dozens of hypothetical match-ups is more complicated that sticking to the one you made the thread about.

I don't even know much about Jofre.
I know about Archie Moore and Shannon Briggs though.

I don't understand this argument.
You could probably say Muhammad Ali never beat anyone as big as Briggs, and certainly didn't beat anyone as big As Valuev.
So you'd have to pick Briggs and Valuev to beat Ali too ?

Archie Moore beat some guys who were 6'3 and 6'4 who weighed 215, 225 or 235 pounds or so. But you'll say they were bums, and maybe they were.

Well, I'm 6'3 and 220 and in pretty good shape and I've always assumed Nigel Benn would kill me.

What doesn't Moore have that Darroll Wilson had then ?

 

Extremely brave performance by Briggs against Vitali.

Moore could catch fighters with well-timed shots, using their motion against themselves, hitting them with precise blows they would never see coming. That's what he did.
Briggs is an open target.

I don't think an early stoppage for Moore is the "obvious result".
You think Moore has 1/1000 chance of scoring any sort of stoppage, and that I strongly disagree with.

 

i was originally replying to the picks of moore ko1 or 2, if you didn't pick that then i wasn't addressing you with the first post.

1/1000 was an exageration intended to show that i wouldn't be too quick to bet moore by ko even with great value odds, maybe i should have been more obvious but then maybe you should have given me the credit that i don't think moore and rigo have the same % chance to stop briggs.

 

Moore by wide UD. Skills wins fights.

 

Who made that pick ?
You stated that Moore "stopping Briggs" was a tiny, tiny chance, 1/100 or 1/1000.
It turns out you didn't mean that at all ....

I don't see the need to exaggerate to make a simple point like that.
I felt the Rigo point was quite serious, in the sense that both Rigo and Moore (in your opinion) have about ZERO chance of stopping Briggs at all.

I'll admit, in this forum these days I can't tell who's being serious and who's not. People making outrageous statements left, right and centre. Most of them are nut-jobs.
I credit you with intelligence that's why I bothered to argue against your post at all.

I'm very very surprised Archie Moore is held is such low esteem as a heavyweight contender.

 

Briggs via TKO. Too big, hits too hard.

 

Valuev is 100 pounds more than Ali.
Probably over 60 pounds heavier than anyone Ali ever beat.
That's a steep jump.
What justification could you provide for Ali beating Valuev ?

I haven't said Briggs can't KO Moore. It seems unlikely to me that Briggs would win at all though.