Shannon Briggs - The Champion

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  1. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If it was, “nothing without a physical manifestation,” we wouldn’t be having this conversation more than a quarter of a century down the line.
     
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  2. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Most sports require the top guy to prove themselves against the best if they want to stay on top on a regular basis. No reason a champion shouldn't lose recognition as champ if they refuse to face top competition over an extended period.
     
  3. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you talking about Briggs here?
     
  4. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Well the irony of it all is that this is one of the things that makes boxing and combat sports beautiful…. Guys who aren’t the best can reach the top of the sport when the stars align..
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It’s more of a tangent because Moorer and Foreman weren’t the best either. It only really matters to a subset of boxing nerds that Briggs held lineage. For the rest of the fans, Holyfield and Lewis were the guys and that’s why they fought a unification.
     
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  6. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Briggs fought Lennox Lewis in his first title defense.

    If you're talking about Georges opponents during Georges reign there was not a clear cut 2nd best champ and if there was one it was Moorer who Foreman had beaten. Lennox was upset by McCall and didn't reclaim his belt until the final months of Foremans reign. Holyfield was struggling before the Tyson fights and wasn't really someone Foreman had to rematch. Tyson lost to Holyfield, Bowe had the Golota fights. Its easy to critcize George for defending the title against easy opponents but looking at who was doing what at the time there was not a better champ he was avoiding the title picture was a mess.

    A lineal champ losing recognition because of their SOS is a process that takes years. As Tyson Fury very clearly demonstrated. Theres less leeway with champs who fought for a vacant lineal belt like Vitali but even then it took years to replace him.
     
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  7. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But the question is, is this really "the top"? Only a small minority of boxing freaks considered Briggs the champion. For the majority of the public, he was just a heavyweight contender.
     
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  8. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman managed to do it in just one year - ducked the mandatory, got a gift decision and refused to rematch the guy he got a gift against.
     
  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think there's an argument for Moorer not being the top guy when he beat Holyfield.
     
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  10. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foreman and Fury.

    In other sports you have to consistently prove yourself to stay champ. If the warriors chose to sit out the 2019, 2020, and 2021 championships a new champion is crowned and the sport moves on. They don't stay champs by default if they don't compete
     
  11. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sure it takes time but by the time Foreman faced Briggs the public no longer saw him as champ due to 3 years of ducking and refusing to fight anyone in the top 10. His abysmal competition was a big factor in losing recognition as champ by the general public.

    Lewis and Holyfield were fighting far better competition than Foreman post Moorer
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    On paper only.
     
  13. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On paper and in reality. You could argue Bowe was better, but he just lost to the same Holyfield Moorer beat. So to be the man he had to beat Moorer.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Bowe, Lewis, and Holyfield were better. And McCall beat a full strength Lewis if you want to go the paper route.
     
  15. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Moorer just beat Holyfield, so he clearly wasn't better at that particular moment. You can argue Bowe but it takes some mental gymnastics. Lewis' wins at the time weren't better than Moorer's victory over Holyfield.