Shannon Briggs vs. Primo

Number of people who think Shannon Briggs was anything at all like Joe Louis = 0

 

You think Briggs had abilities that Louis lacked, which would allow him to take Carnera out a lot faster?

 

My own stance is that Carnera's critics have decisively established that Carnera beats Briggs.

It took Louis 6 rounds to beat Carnera down. Even then, it was a TKO. Took Baer double-digit rounds to stop Carnera too.

Carnera's critics have established that Carnera was almost helpless against Louis, or any other puncher of a certain size. Carnera had no answer, by Joe Louis's own admission, for what Louis was doing to him. Louis was essentially allowed to tee off on a mobile punching bag. And it took Louis 6 rounds of that to put Carnera away.

So if Carnera can stand there cluelessly and get pulverized by the greatest puncher in history for six rounds, I doubt Briggs stops him early.

The Baer fight, where Carnera was equally clueless, confirms this.

We also know that Briggs's stamina was extremely bad, and that Carnera's only virtue was that he had enough stamina to pile up points with his clumsy jab and clinch mauling.

If Briggs had stamina, the fact that he is a large modern heavyweight who could punch is all that he needs to win. Sadly for Carnera's critics, he doesn't have that stamina.

The critics' version of Carnera absorbs Briggs's punches in Homer Simpsonesque fashion for the first 4 rounds , before decisioning a gasping Briggs over 15

 

Goddamit! Shannon Briggs gives a **** about 185-Resumes!

Briggs via TKO!

 

Primo could box some. He could avoid Briggs for the two rounds it takes for the man to gas.

 

Do you consider Briggs a better puncher than Joe Louis?

If not, how does an asthmatic Briggs put the human punching bag down long and often enough to TKO him, past round 6?

 

A little harder puncher, but not as sharp (on short distance too).

Carnera defense was like an all day open barn door, shouting welcome for punches. Thats why one of the crudest boxers beat the **** out of his unmobile upper body with zero head movement. Plus no feet to carry that heavy 260lb robot away lateral or backwards.
Briggs would unload badly on a boxer like that!

 

Right, but that's my point.

Louis hit about as hard as Briggs, Louis was a sharper puncher than Briggs, Louis was (IMO) vastly more skilled than Briggs, and Louis was able to hit Carnera at will because of all the reasons you mentioned. It still took Louis 6 rounds to stop Carnera.

Why do you believe that Briggs can continue to unload on Carnera long enough to stop him? Briggs has terrible stamina, unlike Louis.

 

Like I said: Louis is vastly overrated in therms of raw power. Like Dempsey is also. What made Louis so fantastic is inscane reflexes and timing of punches with variety of both hands. Unique for dong so on shortest distance due to very good body rotation coordination. Gifted like that, you don´t need a Shavers right or a Morrison left to nail chins badly.
Who has more power in the right hand, Bonecrusher or Louis? Crusher. Is he the more effective puncher? No way!

I also didn´t say that Carnera wouldn´t get up. He definately would. Thats why I wrote TKO.
You can argue what you want about Carnera, but his recovery was not bad.

 

Yeah, my point doesn't depend on Louis having power like Shavers or Morrison.

You'd said above that Briggs only hit a little harder than Louis. They were close enough in power that I'd expect Louis to be able to stop Carnera before Briggs would, because Louis hit about as hard, but also did pretty much every other aspect of punching better than Briggs did.

OK, but he was still standing in the 6th round against Louis. Briggs blew most of his steam in the first 4. Briggs isn't stopping Carnera before Louis did. And I don't think that a tiring Briggs can put down the kind of barrage that he needs to knock Carnera down -- in the middle rounds -- enough times to stop him.

What kind of ref do we have here? The 30s ref didn't stop the fight early when Carnera got knocked down repeatedly against Baer.


EDIT: Maybe this will clarify things a little. When are you expecting Briggs to TKO Carnera? Early? Middle rounds? Late?

 

Yap, it depends on the ref.
Like I said before, heavy handed Briggs carried some more power than Louis did imho.

I think this ends before rounds 5 with a modern ref, with a 30s ref between 5-7. But I can even see Briggs landing something huge on Carnera stopping this earlier than 4.

 

We agree on the ref. A modern ref would have probably stopped Carnera's fight against Baer a lot earlier, and maybe Louis, too.

Old style ref, though, Carnera takes it. I really doubt that any marginal advantage Shannon has in punching power will improve his results compared to Joe Louis. Especially since every other aspect of punching is in Louis's favor. And Louis had 6 rounds to tee off on Carnera.

Given that, I don't see any result with a 30s ref than a Carnera victory. The latter half of the fight will consist of an exhausted Shannon Briggs getting hit with stupid-looking jabs.

 

Briggs could hit but he had terrible stamina issues his whole career .. I believe he is an asthma sufferer .. I can see Carnera surviving early and pulling out a decision.

 

Ugly fight, but Carners has a big endurance advantage. Primo stops a breathless Briggs late.

 

What about you knocking on Louis door for not putting a fellow down, who got WINDMILLED around the ring since round 1!?

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Me, including others on this board, don´t rate Louis H2H that high anyway in therms of modern HW boxing. Like I said, he was sharp quick puncher with both hands.

Briggs, including the heavy one who came over 250 pounds, had 53 KOs in 60 wins! The in shape Lewis version at 228 will DEFINATELY hurt the fighter you can see in that linked video. Do we really have to discuss this?

After that happens, it won´t go uphill for da Preem, since Briggs is some levels sharper than crude windmilling Baer.