Shannon Briggs vs. Primo

No, just Primo.

 

Some of Carnera's "opposition"
22nd Fight Buster Martin 2-5-1
23rd Jim Sigman 8-20-1
25th Farmer Lodge Had lost his last 8, 4 by stoppage was ko'd15 times 15-27-2
26th Roy Clarke 5-11-2 Clarke was winning handily until he was threatened with a gun.
27th Sully Montgomery 36-31-1
29th Frank Zaveta 1-7-0
30th George Trafton[Footballer]4-0-0
31st Jack McAuliffe11 15-13-6
39th Sam Baker 12-11-2
43rd George Cook 31-36-11
52nd Umberto Torriani 1-11-2
57thAmando De Carolis 12-17-2
64th George Cook[Old Georgie again this time]38-42-11
66th Maurice Griselle 42-23-2
70th Jerry Pavelec 4-9-0
76th Gene Stanton 18-20-0
77th Jack Taylor 50-45-22
82nd Big Boy Peterson [again] 48-37-8 won2 of his last16 one against a debutee
84th Joe Rice 4-2-0
86th Young Spence 11-9-1
Anyone still wonder why Carnera is neither in the HOF, or on the 100 best punchers list ?

NB ,In his 30th fight Briggs was fighting Foreman for the world title and, in his 31st fight Lennox Lewis.

 

One minor nitpick: that's a lot of boxing matches for a man to be labeled a wrestler.

Corbett had fewer fights than Lodge, but Fitzsimmons's record doesn't read: "10-0-3 Jim Corbett [bank teller]."

 

Well that was his occupation apparently.
Lodge had lost his last 8 fights, 4 by stoppage.
I'll edit it if it is a sticking point.
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66th Jack Gagnon Had won 1 of last 7 44-25-0
86th Seal Harris his sparring partner having his last fight 26-21-7
97th Josef Zupan 0-1-0
98th MIchael Blevins 0-0-0 never fought again
99th SamGardner 0-0-0Had 2 fights was kod in both

 

Nah, it's not a sticking point. Lodge is just one data point among many. Just seemed a bit odd way to put it, that's all.

 

It should also be pointed out that Briggs had an extensive amateur career, while Carnera largely leaned his trade in the professional ranks.

All this is irrelevant however.

It is who they beat at the top of their respective games, that we should compare them on.

 

No, Carnera was viewed with great scepticism when he began fighting in the States , and during the whole of his career there.

Lets compare Carnera to Baer.Common opponents:

Carnera
Ko Christner 35th fight&75th
King Levinsky75th
Kennedy 72nd
Loughran 87th
Uzcudun 86th& 43rd
Schaaf 81st
Santa73rd

Baer
Christner26th fight
Levinsky 39th & 43rd
Kennedy25th & 37th
Loughran 30th
Uzcudun33rd
Schaaf 28th
Santa35th
Other comparisons Carnera's
25th fight Farmer Lodge 15-72-2
26th Roy Clark5-11-2
27th Sully Montgomery36-31-1
28th Chuck Wiggins 121-55-25
29th Frank Zaveta1-7-0
30th George Trafton 4-0-0
33rd Leon Chevalier His second rubbed capsicum pepper into his eyes when he got too ambitious.

Baer's:
25th fight Les Kennedy
26th Ko Christner
27th Frankie Campbell
28th ErnieSchaaf
29th Tom Heeney
30th Tommy Loughran
33rd Paulino Uzcudun

In his 39th fight Max was fighting
King Levinsky
40th Tom Heeney
43rd King Levinsky
44th Ernie Schaaf
45th Tuffy Griffiths
46th Max Schmeling

Carnera?
39th fight Sam Baker 12-11-2
40th Ko Christner31-9-2
43rd George Cook 31-36-11
45thRiccardo Bertazzolo 16-7-2
46thJack Gross 42-3-1 He fed on the same no hopers Primo did.

 

What a way to cherry pick. I notice you don't mention that Foreman was 48 years old and that Foreman vacated his IBF title and was stripped of his WBA title several years before ever fighting Briggs, so the fight wasn't for a world title. Also, Briggs wasn't even competitive with Lewis or with Vitali.

Primo was easily the superior fighter and accomplished much more than Briggs. Primo beat a real champion in Jack Sharkey for the full world title while Briggs beat Siarhei Liakovich for a paper strap.

Primo Carnera (88-14)

Jack Sharkey (36-9-2)
Young Stribling (226-12-17)
Tommy Loughran (112-23-8)
George Godfrey (68-15-1)
Ernie Schaaf (58-14-2)
Walter Nausel (43-5-2)
King Levinsky (39-14-4)
Victorio Campolo (17-5-1)
Paulino Uzcudun (42-9-2)
Sully Montgomery (36-31-1)
Seal Harris (26-21-7)

Shannon Briggs (60-6-1)

George Foreman (76-4)
Ray Mercer (34-5-1)
Frans Botha (39-2) - A Draw
Siarhei Liakovich (23-1)
Rob Calloway (70-11-2)
Raphael Zumbano (34-7)
Demetrice King (7-5)

 

Look when Carnera fought them FFS!
I think Sharkey went into the tank
Both the Stribling fights were fixed
Loughran was outweighed by over 80lbs!
Godfrey fouled out he had too much pride to lay down
Schaf was a dead man walking who should not have been anywhere near a ring
Neusel quit
Campolo was ****
Uzcudun hadnt been ranked for 3 years
Montgomery was a ham and egger
Harris was a sometime sparring partner for Primo

 

I really don't care how many bums a champion fought early in their career.

What I am looking for is a body of work at world level, and that is primarily what I measure them by.

 

Then the onus is on you to prove it.

 

Early in his career!!!!!!
FFS he was fighting bums in the 70th fight and his 80th!
His 97th opponent was 0-1-0
98th 0-0-0
99th 0-0-0
Get real FFS!

 

Carnera was fighting debutees in his 98th and 99th fights!

 

I don't really care how many bums somebody fought, or when in their career they fought them, as long as they also have a record against the contenders of the era.

I just don't care!

 

You stipulated "early in his career" now, having being badly caught out ,its tantrum time!lol