"Sharkey-Carnera" from '33.... Fixed or Legit?

Fair points on the rankings. I don't know much about the Neusal bout only what's written on boxrec seems he was losing and quit after an elbow opened up a bad cut.

 

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Walter Neusel was a good opponent, the fight was on the level. The German took a beating after rocking a couple of times. It was no fix, Walter was pounded and bleeding when he quit. There used to be footage of this fight on YouTube but its gone now. There are a lot of Neusel fights on there though. Seeing as it came after the max baer and Louis beatings, If the Holywood story of Primo was true wouldn't Carnera have lost this fight too?

Neusel was 43-3-5 and world rated. Walter defeated Poreda and Larry Gains who had wins over Primo. Walter beat gypsie Daniels who beat Schmeling, and the German also held good wins over jack Peterson, Tommy Loughran and King Levinsky. In fact Neusel went 25-9 after fighting Primo. He was no mug.

 

I didn't say it was a fix, I said Neusel quit, and after the fight he was castigated for displaying a lack of ambition.

 

I would be interested in a source for this lack of ambition. Neusel was game. Everything I have read on this fight says Neusel was outclassed by Primos "sweeping power" before the cut. His corner was going to pull him out anyway. It was a great win over a top opponent.

 

You left out his appendix to the "sweeping power".

sweeping power but not enough jolt to deliver a knockout." -Associated Press
Deliberate and cynical cherry picking.

 

Gangsters attended baseball games also. So this proves the games were fixed?

 

It doesn't prove it but allied with Carnera's known mob management but it sows some seeds of doubt ,at least to me.

 

Well here's the whole report.


"Primo made good use of his long left jab, keeping it regularly in his opponents face and racking up points. Even so Neusel made his best showing in the first round. He rushed at Carnera with the opening bell and the force of the attack completely surprised the ex champion. Early in the round Neusel landed a barrage of combination punches to Carneras head and shook the massive Italian who pawed futilely and pawed ineffectively at his opponent. As the round wore on, however, Primo regained composure and began pummelling Neusel with left and rights to the head and body in what was to become a rout.


The second round was even for the first minute. Neusel started fast, but soon began missing as Primo ducked and weaved. An uneffected and smiling Carnera began landing unanswered blows. Two quick rights snapped Neusels head back, staggering the German to the ropes. He spent the rest of the round trying to avoid Carneras blows by going into the clinch.


Neusel again rushed Carnera as the third stanza began. He landed a quick left and right to Primos body, but this time Carnera countered with a hard left and right to Neusels face. For the rest of the round Carnera landed punishing combinations with minimal response from his opponent. By the end of the session Neusel, who was now clearly in trouble, staggered around the ring.


In the fourth round Neusel was near exhaustion. Still game, however, he mustered what energy he had left and put it all into a hard right cross that landed high on Carneras head. The shot rocked Primo, but he quickly steadied himself and continued stalking his worn down foe. Soon afterward Primo landed a hard left hook to the head that opened a deep gash above the Germans right eye and left him clearly stunned. Still lacking the killer instinct and disinclined to hit Neusel again, Primo looked at referee Arthur Donovan in the hope that the arbiter would stop the bout. To Primos dismay, Donovan waved to the two men to continue. With his eyesight impaired by the ugly gash and the streams of blood it exuded, Neusel raised his right hand as a sign of surrender and walked to his corner. The wounded, exhausted German was declared the loser by technical knockout after two minutes and twenty three seconds of the round.

 

mcvey, The Sharkey Carnera fight was shown in cinemas the week after

But you would have to say the viewing today and watching it in a movie theater in the 30's are as different as night is to day. Today, you can do all types of things that werent available in Sharkey's time.

Schaaf did not die in the ring he lingered for several days even talking to his mother before passing away.
The question should not be when he died exactly, most ring fatalities die in the hospital days later.

Several members of The Detroit Purple Gang were seen at Sharkey's training camp ,
This means nothing, you'd be surprised at who shows up at training camps even today. Gangsters love hanging out with fighters. Why cant gangsters be just boxing fans, which is the case why your negative spins make it seem like there was some evil doings going on. You have no proof of anything, why must it be "guilt by association"?

wanting to take a dive and being frightened into taking one are two different things.
Since you have no proof it means nothing it's hearsay, just like your comment with a negative slant.

 

Yes to you, since you bring up anything to support your pov even if it's just your take on things which is forever negative.

 

But this is only the AP guys opinion, saying what was obvious, Carnera wasnt a big puncher. Deliberate and cynical cherry picking, and I might add nitpicking by you.

 

There's a huge difference between watching the punch once on a big screen with your pals. Versus having it on YouTube on demand where you can rewind it, edit it, or turn it into a gif.

 

Yes I agree to you who deals in negativity

 

In the full report there are quotes mentioning hard left hooks, Neusels head getting snapped back and staggering around the ring or into the ropes from primo's punches.

Pity @mcvey prefers the Hollywood stuff...

 

Jack was up here in Mpls a few years before he died for a fly fishing convention and a reporter got him to talk a little about the bout. Jack said Primo's jab had improved a great deal from their first go and was like a telephone pole that night, one he couldn't get away from. Looking for that jab he said left him open for that right uppercut which Jack said landed solid and just put him out.