Sharkey on Dempsey's Power [1953 article]

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  1. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’ve “been around” since 1970. But more importantly I’ve spent countless hours researching specific bouts through the years. You have been very unlucky picking a fight regarding this bout as this was one I looked at in a very high level of depth.
     
  2. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Fella .You are the standing joke of the forum, a legend in his Dad 's garage! lol
     
  3. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And you were 100% wrong with everything you believed concerning ever topic discussed. Carpentier, Sharkey as well as Dempsey. Your complete ignorance of the subject matter shines through.
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Then it sounds like you might need some lessons on how to research more effectively and efficiently. I've always been a teacher at heart so if you were to message me I'd be willing to give you a few pointers. I can't promise any miracles but we'll at least get you to the level where you can find and use accurate quotes from primary sources and real citations. Think it over.
     
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  5. HOUDINI

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    Kevin, you’re a joke and always been since day 1. You were wrong 100% regarding Carpentier as well as Dempsey-Sharkey. Generally your opinion is worthless.
     
  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Wow so you’re not sharing this info from genuine intentions, but rather some agenda equalizer?

    When the grinch hands you candy, be wary.

    ;)
     
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  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Except you have never responded to questions with a cogent and reasoned argument, or indeed any verifiable proof.
    Simply put you are a FRAUD!
     
  8. Tonto62

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    LOL.
    ps Been watching some of your work on You Tube. First Class!
     
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  9. HOUDINI

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    The ref of the Dempsey Sharkey bout stated Sharkey was wearing his trunks high. Was he lying? Dempsey’s corner was concerned Sharkey was going to claim foul. Very reasonable due to Sharkeys past history. Finally reporters were also mentioning Sharkeys tendency to wear his trunks high. Do I have to teach you everything? It’s all there in black and white. Take a look yourself instead of making things up.
     
  10. Tonto62

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    And maybe even master the quote button!lol
     
  11. Tonto62

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    Show us the primary source for this claim! Because is isn't in any Dempsey biography nor in any interview with either man that I have seen..It wasn't a reasonable claim at all ,which I fully explained when I went into detail about the dsq wins Sharkey had ,it was just a bit of gamesmanship on Dempsey's manager's part.
    Your problem is you nose is so far into Dempseys fly buttons you can't see the whole picture or even half of it!
    You're just a besotted fan boy who grabs any positive scrap of info on Dempsey and believes it without questioning the lack of provenance and discards anything that reflects negatively on your hero.
    Let me make this plain, Dempsey is one of my favourite fighters but my eyes are always firmly open regarding my evaluation of fighters.
    You , on the other hand, are just a hero worshipper masquerading as a poster with inside knowledge, of which you have exactly none!
     
  12. HOUDINI

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    I rate 7 hwt champions higher than Dempsey. I search for truth while you poke and hope! Study up as you have sooo much to learn. I really do believe you are mentally ill.
     
  13. Tonto62

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    I really couldn't care less where you rate anybody historian,you long ago lost any vestige of credibility you ever possessed!

    Now how about those primary sources! Found them yet?
     
  14. HOUDINI

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    Here is a recent snippet by Booby Franklin an award winning boxing writer.

    As I have written, it just appeared to be a matter of time until the fight went to Jack Sharkey. However, if you watch closely you can see how the body punches were starting to bother Sharkey. As a matter of fact, he came into the ring wearing his trunks quite high in anticipation of Dempsey banging away to the breadbasket. He could use the high waist line as a way to argue Dempsey’s blows were low and hope the referee would warn him to keep his punches up. Sharkey had won three fights in addition to the Wills fight by disqualification. Was it possible he was using that as an ace in the hole in case things weren’t going well? If he did it certainly backfired on him.

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    At the bell for the seventh round Dempsey stepped up his attack on Sharkey’s body. If you look closely at the film you can see Sharkey was being bothered by those blows. With about thirty seconds gone in the round Dempsey landed lefts and rights to the body. He landed a right hand to Sharkey’s body that appears to land just about at the belt line. Now remember, Sharkey wore his trunks high so this would be in legal territory. Even if his trunks were worn at normal height the belt line is still fair game.

    Here’s my take on this controversial fight; Sharkey was being worn down by Dempsey’s relentless body punching. He had hit the former champ with everything he had and Dempsey just would not slow up. Sharkey had thrown a lot of punches. Combine that with the brutal body punches he absorbed and, even though he was way ahead in the bout, he was wearing down. The final right hand Dempsey landed to the body hurt Sharkey a lot. That’s when Sailor Jack made the fatal mistake of dropping his hands and turning to the referee to complain he had been hit low. The second Dempsey saw that opening he fired off a left hook to the face that floored Sharkey. Referee O’Sullivan counted the Gob out.
     
  15. HOUDINI

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    From A Flame of Pure Fire: Jack Dempsey and the Roaring '20s By Roger Kahn:

    Unlike Tunney, Sharkey carried the fight to Dempsey. He had a snapping left hand and he moved far ahead through the first five rounds. Only Dempsey's great staying power saved him. Flynn shouted to Dempsey between rounds, "Go to the body. He doesn't like it in the guts." Sharkey had a special tactic to protect his middle. He wore the belt of his boxing shorts high.