Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by SeanK, Apr 14, 2019.
Who would you favour in a 15 round fight?
Arguably the best puncher versus the best chin.
Chuvalo would ko Earnie within 5
Pretty much this ^^^^^ although I would have picked 7-8.
Chuvalo could fight some, he wasn't just The Chin. Frazier and Foreman did slaughter him though, so he wasn't exactly impervious. They may not have floored him, but they did crush him. Shavers didn't have the total, all-around fighting ability of either of those two, and he didn't put his punches together as well. Chuvalo therefore survives the odd bomb and stops Shavers somewhere around the 7th or so.
Depends on which version of Ernie:
1-The one who was on his ridiculous 40 something ko streak was one of the most dangerous sluggers in boxing history. Not just because of his power, but because he had yet to be truly tested or humbled, had basically no guard, and put everything he had behind every punch every time. Facing off against this version of ernie must have been like a playing a shooting game and the other guy has a cheat code rpg with dozens of rounds and is spamming shells recklesly in every direction. This version of ernie was do-or-die live by the knockout die by the knockout. Only problem was his shakey chin and tendency to gas and leave himself open for counters.
Having stamina problems is the worst thing you can bring to the table as a weakness against a formidable iron chinned body puncher like Chuvalo. The ref would play a major role here. Chuvalo was tough but wasnt a defensive wizard nor was he quick of foot or head movement. I expect him to get nailed by a bomb as early as the 1st. The 1st one wouldnt drop Chuvalo, but hypothetically what happens if his knees buckle and he's backed into a corner and pummeled defenseless like the last roumd of the foreman fight??? With ernie's reputation and such a scary predicament, i cant imagine Chuvalo avoiding a TKO loss unless all this transpires toward the end of the round and he's saved by the bell. Only an extremely lenient ref would allow that to continue for more than 30 seconds given how devastating shavers' shots were.
If Chuvalo avoids a stoppage and invests in body shots and uses responsible defense, the fight is his after round 3. Shavers workrate slows considerably and he starts getting taken apart piece by piece until he stumbles into the ropes and gasses out from a barrage in the 6th. I expect this outcome to occur 60-70% of the time but only if Chuvalo uses his brain and the ref is lenient.
2-the shavers who had his impressive run taking out Williams, giving ali and holmes hell, koing Norton: this would be an epic duel. Shavers learned to pace himself and had a tighter guard and good timing. The first few rounds would actually be pretty boring. It would be a game of chicken where each man dares the other to open up. Lots of jabs and staring and only a few small flurries here and there. Chuvalo eventually cracks under pressure and dares to land a few small body shots in the 3rd and 4th. Shavers responds with a few glancing right hands that graze Chuvalo's cheek.
Around the 5th, shavers is now throwing 1-2's. He's winning the jab battle and tjats allowing him to time his right. Chuvalo bores inside and they have a phone booth fight. Hard to score the round. In the 6th chuvalo presses in again and digs in with a hook to the body then goes upstairs and knicks shavers shiny forehead. Shavers responds with a hook of its own but its smothered by an advancing chuvalo who doesnt want to be stuck eating javs at mid range. In the 7th shavers stands at ring center and times chuvalo with a perfect 1-2 that nails him flush--the canadian was getting too predicatble. Chuvalo is on wobbly legs and backs up. Ernie winds up a huge hook from hell that goes over a ducking Chuvalo and makes his hair blow back like it was caught by a breeze. Shavers steadies himself after hearing his corner yell and throws with less power and is looking to simply score. The round is his. Chuvalo has major swelling.
Round 8 they trade blows. Ernie is caught by an uppercut to the body then the jaw. He goes down to one knee, then rises up. Chuvalo is all over him throwing punches in bunches like a "washer lady" as Ali put it. Suddenly, for some inexplicable reason Chuvalo's onslaught stops. A dull sound is heard throughout the arena. Chuvalo's head snaps back as if it were hit by a bowling ball and he goes down for the 1st time in his career!
Chuvalo didnt know what hit him and cant believe he got caught once again. He just barely manages to rise to his feet and put his mouth piece in. Before shavers can seal the deal the bell rings. The audience gasps.
Rohnd 9, a motivated ernie is pounding away. Chuvalo nails him in the gut and knocks the wind out of him. Now both men are exhausted and lean shoulder to shoulder to resume their phone booth battle from the middle rounds. They still have strength in their punches but theyre conserving their energy. Chuvalo's face is a mess and his nose is broken but he has plenty of stamina. Shavers is the opposite, not visibly very damaged but extremely tired from the body blows and throwing so many power punches. They trade blows for 1 minute then return to their corners.
Round 10, shavers turtles up after getting nailed by a chuvalo right. Chuvalo picks his shots carefully and tucks his chin. Once again, the game of chicken. Shavers allows his opponent to win the round to save his stamina.
Round 11, they meet at ring center and circle each other. Shavers throws his jab, then a double jab, then a 1-2 and blood spurts from chuvalos nose. Just as he's about to follow up, the ref waves it off. Both men are in disbelief as a legendary duel ends abruptly. Shavers by TKO.
3: the shavers of the 80's or beyond gets stopped in 3 or less. He had nothing left.
Excellent points. Now that you mention it, Chuvalo was stopped by Foreman, even if he wasn’t put down. So a big puncher like shavers doing something similar isn’t inconceivable
Mentioning Shavers in the same sentence as Foreman silly ,noway Earnie even shapes up as George ,no no as a puncher
They were supposed to fight around the Quarry timeframe. I have little doubt that George wears him out. Once it gets to the 2nd half of the fight, the Chuvalo bodywork pays off and Earnie is finished.
Whatever the outcome, Chuvalo is still on his feet come finish time.
Chuvalo KOs Shavers. Hell Ron Stander KOed Earnie.