Shawn Porter: Violent Subtleties (Video)

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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  2. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I think it takes skill to swarm like Porter does and not get routinely KTFO or KD'd. But he does smother himself big time and he's not landing crisp flashy punches often because of it, but when they land on him he gets snapped back and looks bad.
     
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  3. Iodin

    Iodin New Member banned Full Member

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    That's because you're only focusing on head shots. You fail to recognize the body work Porter lands on his opponents in many of the clinches he often finds himself in.
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Subtle isn't a word I associate with Shawn Porter, or Marcos Maidana.
     
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  5. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Porter is an elite Brawler, he does the roughhousing and the clubbing but he does it all with a bit of brains and a bit of thinking.
     
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  6. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    I had Garcia winning 7-5.
     
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  7. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol no
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    That’s a good point, though I think it’s something he’s been improving. He rarely lands flashy head shots but I saw a couple of much cleaner right hands, jabs, and left hooks against Garcia. Against Brook for example he was almost never landing anything but arm punches in the clinch
     
  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I think the reason both have success at a high level is because they disguise their obvious strengths with less obvious tricks. Power or pace alone dont get you to world title belts.
     
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  10. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Not really. I'm talking about the head shots he TRIES to land. He's smothering himself when doing it. Sure he can land body shots.

    It's fine that he works the body, but it needs to have a bigger effect like debilitating his opponent and allowing him to land head shots easier. He just smothers himself whenever he goes for the head. He avoids the punches this way, sure, but he can't land many big punches either. I just don't put the same emphasis on body shots as in head shots. Time and time again fighters walk through them much easier than head shots. Sure the liver KO is nice but that's when someone actually gets hurt there and it doesn't happen nearly as often as head shot KOs.
     
  11. Iodin

    Iodin New Member banned Full Member

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    I don't see bodyshots as having less of a value as headshots. I mean, consider an instance between a very tall heavyweight that's good at fighting on the outside. Say a prime Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes. And they're fighting someone that's shot by heavyweight standard and are great inside fighters. Say a Prime Joe Fraizer or Mike Tyson. Are you saying that Fraizier's and Tyson's inside body attack has less of a value because they're not tall enough to land headshots like Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis. To me, your method of scoring fights is discriminatory. From a physical standpoint, going to the body is a shot fighters most favorable chance of winning the fight. If you're devaluing their approach in such a scenario, how is that a fair fight?
    By the way, I don't think Porter's body work is a ineffective as you assume. In almost every fight I've seen him in, his opponents are either backing up or covering up.
     
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  12. Bogotazo

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    The thing with bodyshots is that often a lowering of the elbows is the only sign of an effective shot unless it’s a potentially fight-ending blow. Then the wincing and crouching happens. But below that, a body doesn’t show what a head snapping back does.
     
  13. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Porter is on his way down: swarmers can't maintain their aggression for many years.

    Against Garcia i thought he was already showing signs of slowing down, and looked clearly weary of being countered.

    I had Garcia winning a close one.
     
  14. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Wow slowing down? In what sense?
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Porter put on a masterclass against Danny, one of the years most underrated performances, he performed brilliantly, beat him as convincingly as Thurman, maybe even did a smidge better. Good vid.:thumbsup: