Shelley Finkel - I called Hearn. Hearn doesn't want the Wilder-Joshua fight.

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  1. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As of 3 days ago Ortiz was in that position, they took him out and you expect them to start eliminators all over again instead or finding a direct replacement to fulfil their mando expectations?I expect a replacement, just as Takem stepped in, there will be a replacement, if they redo eliminators, it'll surprise me and pave the way for unification bouts to take place early next year. I just don't see it happening.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who said anything about a pay cut?

    If you watched the video, Shelley Finkel points out there are more people in those stadium shows but they don't necessarily make the most money. He said Vegas can still pay more than anyone to host a fight.

    I don't want to see Wilder and Joshua in a stale Vegas casino instead of in front of a big British crowd. But I don't want to see any other fight instead of that one, either.

    If I have to wait until it's a hot day in England, forget it. Hold it somewhere else.
     
  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jesus Christ. Who cares about Luis Ortiz or the release you read in January. It's freaking November. Ortiz is banned.

    Wake the hell up already. And move on.
     
  4. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whyte - Wilder would sell out the O2 arena.
    Wilder vs Joshua is a football stadium occasion, as is Fury vs AJ.
     
  5. Ilikeboxing

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    AND THE MANDO HASEN'T BEEN DONE YET? Can you not read?
     
  6. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know you don't buy it, but let's believe Hearns for a second and accept the idea that a fight in 5 months has a value of $10 million less than a fight in 10 months.

    If that was true, do you think Deontay's handlers would accept a $10 million smaller pot just to get AJ next? Instead of Wilder fighting Brezeale (or Whyte, or whoever) next, and *THEN* getting AJ for a total +$10 million extra purse.

    You're making it sound like Hearns is the only one having an interest for maximizing the fight's total revenues. Do you think Wilder's handlers are total idiots?
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And Vegas could pay more to host it than both of them put together.

    I don't care. I just want the best to fight.
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  8. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As a boxing fan I want to see this fight happen next. I don't think either side is scared, they just need to put the egos aside (mostly Wilder) and make a deal. This fight for all intents and purposes crowns an undisputed champion as WBO belt holder Parker isn't seriously regarded. It'd also be the first time we'd have a unified WBC/WBA/IBF HW champ since Lewis.
     
  9. NaiKoN

    NaiKoN M Power! Full Member

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    What I am afraid in this fight is that they will find small traces of something prohibited in AJ’s samples. I don’t think AJ really need a fight with this fraud, if he fights he needs to make sure that there will be at least two laboratories involved in testing (although it didn’t help Povetkin).

    Wilder is nobody, zero, the guy who ran away from Povetkin as soon as he got chance, the chance that was made up so he could escape.
     
  10. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Vegas wanted the fight, Hearn would snap their hands off, seeing as he's all about making money and being successful. The most money to be made from Wilder vs AJ is clearly in the UK.
     
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  11. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Vegas could not make more, Sky PPV at 4am in UK? No thanks, this fight needs to get made next but it has to be in the UK to maximize PPV sales and if Showtime wants to broadacast it at 5pm here so be it.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

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    When Evander Holyfield was the number one contender to fight Mike Tyson, and Tyson got upset by Douglas, everyone approached Holyfield and asked him to take a step-aside fee so they could stage the Tyson-Douglas rematch.

    And I'll never forget Holyfield's manager at the time saying (because I had it on tape, still might) something to the effect that Holyfield was offered a spot on the Tyson-Douglas undercard by Don King, and he could fight anyone he wanted for $4 million on the undercard, and then if Tyson beat Douglas in the return, Holyfield could challenge Tyson for like $10 million. And if Douglas won, Holyfield could challenge Douglas and receive $8 million.

    King told Sanders it was a way to "maximize" Holyfield's opportunity, if he just stepped back for a while and let others fight.

    And Sanders, at the time, said, "SURE!!!" He was giddy with the prospect. Then Shelley Finkel got a hold of Holyfield and the Duvas and told them the deal Sanders was offered sucked.

    And Ken Sanders was summarily fired for being an idiot.

    Holyfield turned down the deal. The Holyfield-Douglas fight was offered to the highest bidder. Steve Wynn came in and outbid King and everyone, and paid Douglas like $22 million and Holyfield a lot more than $4 million ... Holyfield won the title from Douglas ... and he was making like $18 million a fight to defend against guys like Holmes.

    This "Wilder has to fight Whyte first" scenario sounds like deja vu in some ways.

    Like Holyfield being offered the $4 million to fight someone lesser while Joshua gets to go about his business.

    It's a sucker's deal.

    The money fight is the Joshua fight. The fight that elevates both is the Joshua fight.

    It's not the Wilder-Whyte bout.

    Wilder-Joshua is the fight. A savvy promoter/manager would let every venue bid on it. Open it up. There are no network conflicts (like is the case with many big fights with fighters who have deals on rival networks).

    But Hearn seems to want to put it off. Have Wilder fight someone else. Not let people like Finkel, who was negotiating deals 27 years ago for the money guys like Joshua are making now, get involved or return his calls.

    Hearn might be a big deal in the UK. And he's one of the top promoters now. I like him. And those stadium shows look great. Great atmosphere. But guys like Finkel are the ones who make guys hundreds of millions.

    And Hearn seems more interested in remaining in control than anything else.

    And Hearn seems to be preventing the BIGGEST HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHT that can be made now ... with comments like "maybe I can help Tyson Fury get his license back?" "Or maybe we'll fight Shannon Briggs."

    Or the worst of all ... "Let's wait until it's warmer outside."

    Long story short, fighting Dillian Whyte and then hoping Hearn agrees to give Wilder a fight with Joshua is a sucker's deal.

    Finkel knows that. And he's told Wilder that.

    There's no reason to fight Whyte first. There's no reason to believe Hearn will follow thru on giving Wilder the next fight with Joshua. Hearn just doesn't want Joshua and Wilder to fight, because Wilder is really the only one who could KO Joshua.

    And we all know that. Don't we?
     
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  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You don't need to fight at 10 p.m. in Vegas.

    They hold fights all day in Vegas. I've been to them. Larry Holmes used to defend his title in Vegas on Saturday afternoons. Most major sports in the U.S. take place on Saturday and Sunday afternoons.
     
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  14. Kiwi_in_America

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    I love the way Parker is being denigrated below Wilder - just because Parker has fought the really tough guys.

    Sucks.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    The problem with Parker is Andy Ruiz wasn't supposed to be a tough out. Neither was Hughie Fury. But they were tough for Parker because he's basically on their level. And many didn't even think he beat them when the decisions were announced.

    Hughie Fury was offered a fight with Wilder back in 2016, and he turned it down. Andy Ruiz got a gift decision over Sergei Liakhovich and is calling out Chris Arreola these days, not any of the champs.

    Ruiz and Fury aren't the guys you're supposed to win controversial decisions against. They're the guys who, if he was on the level of Joshua and Wilder - that you would expect Parker to blow out.

    When he didn't, and Cojanu went 12 with him, too, his rep took a hit.

    If Wilder and Joshua got a couple gift decisions over those guys, nobody would be touting them either.
     
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