Shields Vs Marshall

@Olu G. Rotimi you know deep down yourself Savannah is gonna beat Claressa.

 

You gents can fabricate all the scenarios you want to on how Marshal gon win this fight but in reality, she only has a punchers chance. Shields is gonna tear her ass up.

 

Yep! She didn't look as confident and she proclaims to be to me. In fact, she looked the opposite.

 

I always do my research.

 

That's a no then.

 

Still laughing at "Cross Your Feet For More Natural Fluid Movement".

If I didn't know better, I'd think nobody could be that clueless and dismiss it as a joke.

 

Definitely not conventional to cross your feet like that, as you say we're told to lead with the lead foot first to widen the stance and create greater stability. But you often find elite fighters breaking the conventional basic fundamental rules of boxing because at the very top level they find that less conventional and basic ideas can be superseded by less conventional and more advanced techniques.

Ali for example, known as a great mover and he often broke this rule and moved his rear leg first to narrow his stance. It made him less stable but it made him more agile. Many great fighters like Ali, Fury, Pacquiao, even Hagler broke some of the commonly regarded conventional rules that were taught are the basic fundamentals of boxing. Fundamentals are great and all but they can be discarded by exceptional fighters who can creatively come up with more effective techniques that work for them. Fundamentals are fine for the average fighter with average talent but the exceptional ones can break these rules.

Also the basic pivot jab is taught to many fighters and requires you to cross your rear leg behind your lead leg to swing you around to create new angle as you throw your jab. Technically it breaks the not crossing your feet rule but it's a commonly taught technique and used by many top fighters.

In regards to Marshall. She's clearly using it to help cut off the ring. She doesn't have particularly quick feet as she's often planted for power but by breaking this rule it allows her to cut of the ring faster. Yes it reduces her stability but when chasing an opponent who you are trying to corner it's not going to be an issue, it would only be a problem if she used it against an aggressive opponent like her last opponent Muzeya who would be pushing Marshall back with crossed feet and unbalancing her. As long as she's selective when she uses it, it can make her more effective.

 

Thinks Savannah Marshall is an "elite fighter" because she can stand out in a very poor, shallow sport of womens' boxing.

What she's doing there is not a high-level maneuver, it isn't making her stalking of her opponent any more efficient or deceptive, it's just bad/wrong. The level is so low that it makes no difference in her case is all, due to her relative strength in other departments.

 

She's elite in the shallow women's game for sure.

Marshall is clearly not your average female boxer. Her dimensions alone are not ordinary. She's taller than most at the weight but it's her crazy reach that stands out physically. Hammer is almost as tall but her reach is dwarfed by Marshall's. Also Marshall's power is clearly very rare in the women's game. How may women score one punch KO's with regularity like her?

So my point stands, average talents have to stick to the fundamentals because they don't have the physical attributes to break these rules and get away with them. But someone like Marshall with her rare combination of height, reach and power isn't some average Joe or average Jane she like Shields is exceptional and so can't be measured to the same standard.

I disagree on your last point. It is effective because it's a quicker way of cutting off the ring against a retreating opponent. Is it conventional no it's not. But then neither is rushing an opponent like Pac does, when he crosses his feet but it allows him to cover a great distance quickly and allows him to turn his jab more into a cross when he does square up mid rush so that punch has more power and keeps his opponent backing up.

Hagler's gazelle jab too, far from conventional to throw yourself at an opponent like that but he used it over and over again and it helped him finish off Hearns.

Tyson would often square up which were told is wrong. But in Tyson's case as he's almost always chasing an opponent it made him more effective at cutting off the ring because if he stayed in his normal stance against a retreating opponent it would require an adjustment step to change angles to chase but by squaring up it means he could push off in either direction without needing to make that extra adjustment step.

Foreman when punching wouldn't pull his arm back into guard position which isn't text book and seen as bad defensively. But he was so slow he couldn't always get his arm back in time so learned to keep his arms extended and then push and pull his opponent off balance to prevent them even throwing a counter.

Basic fundamentals are fine for novices and ordinary fighters. But the exceptional fighters find specific techniques that work for them even if it breaks the supposed fundamentals of boxing.

 

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Well said.

 

Means nothing when the average 'world level' female boxer is a part-time cop/carer/toilet cleaner in her thirties.

Last time someone on here asked you, you said you don't box. Remind me why I should be reading your books defending someone else's conceit that this is a high-level maneuver? The paragraphs are pointless, man. It simply is not. You can't explain how crossing her rear foot all the way behind her lead foot aids her in any way, because it doesn't. You're overthinking it and trying to come on smarter than you are.

 

Savannah Marshall is a gangly broad from Hartlepool with decent athleticism and a good punch for a chick. Guys actually talking like she's a female Naz or RJJ or (insert extraordinary male talent) in here.