ShoBox: Sergey Derevyanchenko vs. Elvin Ayala & Ievgen Khytrov vs. Nick Brinson RBR

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Really?? I just flipped to Spike in the middle of a commercial break. The broadcast is slotted until 1:15am EST, only 12:34 now.

    Oh well. If the whole thing overlapped with ShoBox then c'est la vie. I like kickboxing well enough but will never prioritize it over live boxing.
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    They both are similar but both have a long way to go, they're just starting out, Khytrov the first fight ended in a more impressive fashion with a nasty stoppage of Brinson and Derevyanchenko boxed Ayala ears off and brutalized him in the second, he almost stopped him in the eighth but fell short, but he still shut him out.
     
  3. pablinov

    pablinov Boxing Addict Full Member

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    oh snap, it is still on. Maybe do an RBR for the main event in this thread ^^?
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    Khytrov is similar to Lemieux. A little faster, better chin...but the same T-Rex arms, winging tendencies, and lack of defense while in seek and destroy mode.

    Derevyanchenko I'd describe as more like a MW version of Lomachenko than a Golovkin clone.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Nah, gonna spin off a separate one in the MMA forum. :good
     
  6. CST80

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    Pretty much this:yep
     
  7. Dos Huevos

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    Having a read through the RBR and was a bit shocked. I had Khytrov winning every round from the 3rd onward plus a 10-8 in the 7th. Sure he started slow and appeared to have issues with movement but in the end he damn near kiiled that guy.

    I have been critical of his pro trainers and thought he should run screaming from them all along. If he plans on making changes, now would be the time.
     
  8. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Just started watching, so Brinson beat Errol Spence and Shawn Estrada in the amateurs and people are making it out like he's some prospect journeyman that should be effortlessly disposed of?
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    No. Brinson has always been underrated. He gives everyone a tough night and has been matched tough his entire pro career. For the amount of hype around Khytrov, though, considering Brinson has been stopped before, leaving it until the last twenty seconds (and getting shut out in the 1st half and putting himself in danger of being held to a draw through 7.5 rounds) is a bad look for Ievgen.
     
  10. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I'm not seeing this first half of the fight schooling you guys made it sound like. Khytrov's work is inconsistent but the action overall is quite even and he certainly doesn't look like some dreadful hype job. You guys hyperbolized the first 3 rounds from what i'v seen so far.


    Rd 2 Khytrov did some good work in the 1st minute, 2nd min Brinson landing good jabs and countering while Khytrov stops throwing. Last minute both guys with some decent work doing what won them each previous minute for a fairly even round.

    Rd 3 Brinson wins 1st half with some nice boxing and the occasional combo while Khytrov stays with him but doesn't get off, Khytrov wins 2nd half by landing hard shots fairly consistently. Evenish round but Khytrov winning his half by landing more powerful shots makes me inclined to give it to him.
     
  11. CST80

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    That's why I was so annoyed tonight by your comments, but I was running back and forth from my living room to my side room where my computer is, that's why my comments were so brief and addle brained, I figured Brinson would give him troubles and Khytrov should be commended for breaking him down and stopping him as brutally as he did, Khytrov's handlers are actually doing a very good thing with him, most fighters like him have trouble with slick fighters and they've match almost exclusively with the exception of Jorge Melendez with slick fighters and he's handled them all with relative ease, and even though he may have looked bad at times tonight it'll end up paying dividends in the long run.
     
  12. Dos Huevos

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    IMO it was even after 4. Khytrov edged 3 and 4. Brunson started to show serious signs of fatigue in the 5th.
     
  13. Vysotskyy

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    4th i'd give to Brinson but reasonably close Khytrov once again was inconsistant at getting off.

    Zhenya's footwork isn't terrible and he isn't some Canelo/Stevens cemet foot Brinson is a good mover, not a runner, effective boxer footwork just moving enough especially after punching to disrupt the opponent and make them have to reset and difficult for them to get off.

    Khytrov is able to stay with him and keep in range, cuts off the ring okay although there is certainly room for improvement. His biggest fault is just not always getting his punches off when having to constantly reset and chase. At times he does, he's just inconsistent with it.

    I will give is team credit for their matchmaking. On the one hand they aren't 'doing him favors' and giving Haymon type opposition he can blow out and look spectacular against but that's a good thing. His biggest foils have always been tallish, rangy boxer mover types ala Quigley. Guys like Melendez, Brinson, Coley are guys hard to look good against but offer the most room for improving his biggest weaknesses.

    That said, i don't thing he's showing much improvement against those types which imo is because his trainers don't have much to offer, they simply aren't world class nor do they have the knowledge or insight to improve Khytrov in the areas he needs it.

    JDJ, Sanchez, Robert Garcia (Maidana) are the type of trainers who have shown the ability to take a guy with his attributes and help refine the defense, footwork, setting up offensive opportunities necessary to accentuate his strengths and turn him into a world class killer.
     
  14. CST80

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    :good Good assessment and pretty close to my opinion in a nutshell.
     
  15. Vysotskyy

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    Actually Ivan Kirpa (Povetkin's trainer) would be a good fit too.

    So ya 5th to Khytrov in a still competitive round then he lays a beating on Brinson in the 6th, 7th and 8. Zhenya started a bit slow, took a little to figure him out and showed where he still needs to improve but i'd rate it as a good performance.

    Putting him in with these similar types are causing some fans to lose a bit of intrest and belief in him but he keeps gaining experience against the type of boxers that give him the most trouble so it's a good thing imo.

    Who at MW is an elite boxer like that? Jacobs is way too fragile, Eubank, Chudinov, Johnson, Murata are all going to stand in front of him and i wouldn't bet on any of them to out bang him. Lemieux, Lee, Quillin, Derevyanchenko, Magomedov, Quigley are the guys who can bang and/or box enough to possibly beat him but even as he currently is i see him becoming world class inside 18 months, probably 12.