Short and sweet article on holding.

Naturally the referee would say some **** like that.

PErsonally I don't care enough to even accurately make an opinion on it. I guess if I had to, I'd say the ref should've taken a point on principle alone....since excessive clinching IS illegal. It doesn't matter if it's advantageous or not, excessive IS excessive.

 

i'm going to harsh on you like i said before because i know you're buying time.

stop ****ing around online and be someone in real life...

it pisses me off a lot talking to people who keep trying to live on the board when people know who they are.....


grow up for once in youre life.

 

Diagreed. Berto grabbed Urango from the opposite side of where the ref was, so he didnt see everything....the TV viewers however, seen it all. Blatant excessive holding.
Berto sucks.

 

What the referee's need to understand is the difference between being inside and allowing work to continue until a break is necessary. Ron Lipton was always one of my favourite refs for that reason.

Watch maybe the Roy Jones Jnr Bryant Brannon fight as an example - And a controversial one for the commentary team calling out Ron for not stopping the fight.

 

but everything you post is heresay and you never put yourself on the line when you post it.

 

that Ref sucks and I would like to never see him as the 3rd man ever again.

 

If a fighter's hands are left free, they should learn to keep punching. If the arms aren't being tied up, it is their responsibility to punch. I haven't seen the fight yet, so I'm not making a comment on it particularly, but in general if the arms aren't tied, keep punching.

 

this is the most telling line in the whole article imo

"I believe [the fans] base their opinions of fights largely on what they hear the commentators say"

I couldn't agree more. I thought Berto's holding was not excessive, and that he did not warrant a point deduction.

Often times on ESB, you have two groups of people who saw the same fight completely differently. You have those who watched Setanta and those who watched HBO and each group reflects the views of their commentators. I think thats pathetic, but it is what it is.

I'd venture to guess that alot of fans base their scorecards on HBO replays and commentators.

 

it had nothing to do with the commentators, after the first couple of rounds i couldnt even watch the fight and was swearing at my television because Andre Berto couldnt slug it out with Urango and did not know what else to do but hold his hands from throwing any more bombs. whats with you guys? were you cheering for Berto so hard to win that you forgot how terrible repeated excessive holding is? this was in par with watching Ruiz fight....sucks, borring, not good for boxing as a sport

 

Mosley was repeatedly holding Margo, I thought that was a great fight too, and so did everyone else.

 

Mosley was moving his head and he threw punches on the inside, Berto didnt do anything like that, there was no action and he held 5x more than mosley did