Short guys outboxing tall guys

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  1. MarxP

    MarxP New Member Full Member

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    I understand that this thread is more suited for the training forum, but I appreciate the classic section's knowledge more :thumbsup. Now that I can get back in the ring, I've decided to change my style up. Since I'm short for heavyweight (5'11 ish) with decent speed, I've always been a countering pressure fighter who prefers the inside. However, my fragile left wrist makes me a bit nervous about banging with another big guy and another wrist injury would surely jeopardize my music career.

    Therefore, I want to become more of an outside fighter. Are there any boxers who consistently outboxed fighters who had the reach/height advantage? I know Kalambay-McCallum 1 is a great example of this, does anyone know of any other fights or fighters?
     
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  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Watch film of Jersey Joe Walcott, Chris Byrd, Ezzard Charles, Max Schmeling, Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, and Manny Pacquiao.

    You've got to be good at setting traps and forcing a guy to open up IMO, feinting a lot, and attacking body. Work on your sharpshooting in and out, and making the most of your opportunity by putting bodyweight into your punches.
     
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  3. P00ckerh00ked

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    tyson v tillis
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chicquita Gonzalez - Michael Carbajal II & III
     
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  5. MarxP

    MarxP New Member Full Member

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    Thanks for all the responses guys, I'll be sure to study these fights and fighters.
     
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  6. SonnyListonsJab

    SonnyListonsJab Active Member Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmNZZXLMng[/ame]
    6'5 Hein Ten Hoff vs 6'0 Jersey Joe Walcott
     
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  7. SonnyListonsJab

    SonnyListonsJab Active Member Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi66CQ_ivDg[/ame]
    5'11 Archie Moore outboxes 6'3 Nino Valdes
     
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  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Miguel Canto is the definitive answer to this, but for a more attainable basic precision textbook approach used in the lack of the truly great space perception skills somene like canto had, then Check out Alberto Davila fights.
     
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  9. MarxP

    MarxP New Member Full Member

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    All great responses, I'm already learning about the art of outboxing folks! For anyone else who's interested, Harold Johnson was great at making taller guys reach for him so he could counter.
     
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  10. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    good man.
    im in a similar situation, im 5'8 middlishweight, and not a puncher enough against all the 6'2 dudes who are in the gym.
    smaller men who outbox bigger need to not really outbox but out fox the opponent. the taller guy would want to counter and use his height so he would be prone, if you start circling then he would have to reset his stance, that way he is working for you.

    try fienting if he throws then you throw your own. and because of your height you can walk inside and outmuscle him in the clinch where the lanky arms become less of a threat

    because your a smaller target they will have to maybe not bend down but will have t adjust to you instead of the other way round.

    and combinations are your best friend/s




    i would suggest pernell but he is a genius at what he does so i don't know if it would help.
     
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  11. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    gomez vs. zarate, tyson vs. biggs, mayweather vs. corrales
     
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  12. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dwight Muhammaed Quawi, gentlemen.
     
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  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Qawi , Toney , Montell Griffin , Charley Burley , Chris Byrd and Orlin Norris , maybe Adamek and Eddie Chambers can be used as recent examples.
     
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  14. Phys

    Phys Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you win.
     
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  15. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Albert Davila was a short guy who could outbox most guys.
    Pernell and Buddy Mcgirt are perfect examples of master boxers that where short.
    Someone Mentioned Canto and Chiquita.
    Niccolen Locche
    Montell Griffith excellent boxer in his prime, outboxed Toney twice, and was frustrating the hell out of Jones(first fight) before winning on a DQ. Was past it when he fought Tarver and his other losses but he was also 7 inches taller.. Learned from the best Eddie Futch!!

    Buster Mathis Jr -on a lower leverl, not a top guy but a gatekeeper.. Only 5-11 with zero power but, he was a solid guy cause he could box his ass off.

    Marlon Starling was kind of short and a helluva boxer.
    Jesse Leija- In his prime an excellent boxer see his fight win over Nelson,was masterful.

    Nichollone Locche
    Dulio Loi
    Sven Ottke
    Archie Moore
    Jose Napoles
    Paulie Malinaggi
    Curtis Cokes
    Harold Johnson
     
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