Short Power Punchers Against Taller Fighters...

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Seems to almost always be detrimental varging degrees to the smaller power punching fighter, despite the greatness of the smaller fighter.

    David Tua was completely helpless against Lennox Lexis. Dozens upon dozens of leaping hooks missed by varying degrees. It's almost ridiculous watching the slow motion replays in-between rounds. He couldn't connect with a damned thing.

    Also with Tua, he was brought to a SD by overwhelmingly medicore Cisse Salif, a massive fighter.

    Mitch Green and Tony Tucker were both giants who went the distance with a prime Tyson. You can throw Bonecrusher Smith in there as well.

    Early in Cooper's career when he was still a hot prospect and Tyson comparisons were being made in his favor he ran into Carl William's. The fight was an absolute slaughter.

    And the most recent example, Samuel Peter against Vitali Klitscko, or even his brother Wladimir.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends on a lot of things, speed and how they can cut off the ring, will has a lot to do with it also. If a tall fighter fights tall it can help but if a short fighter fights shorter it sometimes causes problems for the tall guy. Like I said depends on who is the better man
     
  3. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem with guys like Peter and Tua is their weight. They are hardly in Joe Frazier type condition and if they were, they'd weigh 216 or so and their footwork and mobility would be superior. Then, they could get inside the tall guys. When they come in heavy, they need a bad defense guy or a flat footed opponent and usually that's the matchups whenever you do see them get the A+ results.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes but they were hanging on for dear life and not winning rounds. Tyson fought a load of 6-4+ guys and stopped them

    Fighting a much taller opponent is hard, you have to continually slip their jab, so lots of head movement, and fight at mid range or close to get your shots off. At mid-close range you have the advantage, they have to make space, uppercut or hold.

    Its easier to fight at range as a taller rangier opponent, if your both tired, he can still throw 1-2s from range, it takes far more energy to fight as a small fighter because you have to do far more than throw a 1-2 and hold.

    Thats partly why Tyson was great in the 80s and not so great after, his stamina wasn't as good, if he was 6'5 this would have been fine but Tyson's style wouldn't allow it
     
  5. janitor

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    Therehave been a number of short power punchers who really exceled against taller rangier fighters like Tommy Burns, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Mickey Walker and others.

    The common factor?

    Defence and conditioning are obviously critical but the thing that unites the real maestros of this style is the ability to throw combinations in a verry short distance.

    Once you can do that your taller oponents size becomes a hinderance in close and he starts to "get in his own way" as Jack Dillon put it.
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Peter would never weigh 216 pounds.

    Guy would be dead. You've seen how he's built right?
     
  7. The Whaler

    The Whaler My dog be thorough. Full Member

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    He could chop of his head.
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Or one of his legs. :lol:

    Beyond that...
     
  9. bum of the week

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    Your examples were all from the HW division, if you move down in weight you have a good example in Cuevas vs. Hearns.
    As i see it the problem for the shorter fighter is twofold:
    If he's in with a tall puncher he'll risk being bombed out at long range before he can come in deliver his own bombs(eg Cuevas vs Hearns)
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    the taller fighter can keep him off-balance with the jab and tie him up in close(Tyson vs everyone you mentioned+Douglas)
    Still as mentioned Tyson won against all those fighters except Buster, and there are certainly a number of exceptions to the rule. I don't even know if I would say that there exists such a rule in the first place.
     
  10. abraq

    abraq Active Member Full Member

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    You have only dwelled on the negatives.

    What about the achievments of fighters like, Langford, Marciano, Frazier and Tyson. Maybe you can throw in Burns and Qawi in there too.

    I think the defining word is "quality". You really can't compare guys like Bert Cooper, Sam Peter or even David Tua with the aforementioned in terms of overall fighting ability.
     
  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dempsey destroyed Fulton,Willard and Firpo fighting as the little guy,so its not impossible if they're good enough.
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Firpo wasn't the size of a modern day super heavyweight nor did he fight tall regardless. He almost beat Dempsey regardless.

    And Willard? Why even mention the Willard that came into the Dempsey fight?
     
  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why not?
    He was still a ****load taller than Dempsey and still got destroyed which shows the short fighters can still do the business despite what you think.And don't use the ring rust excuse for Willard as Klitschko had an equally as long layoff and still whipped Peter.Dempsey was simply better.

    It's no sillier than your statement about taller fighters beating great smaller fighters and then using Tua vs Lewis and Cooper vs Williams as examples.Tua was decent but flawed and Cooper was little more than a journey man,they weren't anywhere near being great fighters.They both lost to small heavyweights as well so it's not as if they were beaten simply because they were meeting someone taller.
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Vitali didn't come into the ring grossly overweight sporting a hang over from drinking the night before.

    How can you sanely even begin to compare the shape Willard was in to Vitali's?
     
  15. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ...What about Dempsey vs. Willard and Fulton, Greb vs. all the bigger guys he clobbered, Louis vs. Carnera, Simon, and Baer, etc.?