Should AI score fights to eliminate corruption & ineptitude?

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Should advanced, secure AI score boxing fights

  1. Hell naw boxing be old school, let the boys be!

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  2. If it's better than go for it 100%

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  3. I'd rather say no but if it eliminates corruption I say yes

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You may not realize how shockingly great self-learning AI can be trained on millions of hours of fight footage and billion more in simulation. Given 16 8K cameras recording &120 fps + LiDAR sensors capturing & analyzing every nuance on the fly like punches actually landing, their actual meaningful effects in impact force, their effects on the body, the face the legs is an area where humanity is at a severe disadvantage. Tennis has been using cameras &computers to accuratly judge a ball in or out for 10 years and neural net based AI is practically a trillion times more capable because of resources and self-training.

    Lets face it: if boxing judges being bought or simply supporting the home fighter to get recalled to 5 star hotels, hoookers & white powder wasn't enough, viewing angles from a single side with fighters moving around, refs blocking the views & the cheers playing a part makes the best judges ability to score a fight accurately difficult and even they can have off nights.

    This a sport that's ripe for exterminating decades of corruption, favoritism and incapable judging. An AI with 95% ability of a good judge using a closed loop algorithm protected by quantum security that cannot be hacked alone would eliminate boxing's biggest problem. But I'm suggesting AI today in a million time more capable that that given enough cameras, sensors & training that's vastly available and not even that expensive.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, because AI is programmed by humans, and you'd have a human determining what styles should be rewarded more than others across the board. A variety of style preferences through the eyes of judges is best.
     
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  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Self-training AI needs little to zero human bias, but of course 100 of the best judges can help build the foundation model.

    But in the end, there's a consensus to how to score a fight already, which is clean effective punches END OF. And AI can see that to the microlevel so who cares about anything else such as absolute nonsense like who has what style, who comes forward, effective aggression, intent, punches thrown, punch % and all that nonsense.

    Clean. Effective. Punching.

    Machine can determine that a million time better than the best human could and machine is 100% unbiased.
     
  4. Kiwi Fish

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    I think it would need a lot of work before we get there, to the point that it won't be practical anymore. In reality what will happen is that boxers will just train and fight in a way to suit the AI judge and there will be a boxing meta similar to Esports which will change with each update.

    I suppose we could have multiple AI judges that are all programmed differently coming together to announce a winner, but then that just opens it up to more interpretation and space for corruption as well. Whats to stop someone with power and influence interfering with an AI judge to slightly help their fighter?

    Something as straightforward as 5 judges for championship or important fights would help a lot more towards dodgy decisions just due to the fact that it is that much hard to get more judges onside, it doubles the difficulty at least.
     
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  5. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You show a robot w/advanced neural nets amateur cooking videos, and it'll learn to cook in a matter of days. Boxing is incentivized (or at least should be) to spend a little more and rent some Nvidia training clusters to anal. millions of publicly available fight footage and there you have it: a deeply understood and well trained foundation model on how to score a fight.

    Which is easy already even for pesky humans once you have access to all high-def high-res cameras in the studio post-fight, but AI can anal. 16 cameras on the fly. You don't even need special equipment just AI access to studio footage but hell: put 16 $300 Chinese phones around the ring and give AI access to their 1080p 240 fps footage and it'll score like a champ.

    You could page Sam Altman or Elon today and have OpenAI or xAI use their $200Bil training cluster to train on every recorded boxing match ever in mere days and come up with a algorithm that easily adjusts to any on-site camera system or add the cheap phones for extra angles. Existing tech and AI models can do all this already.

    Why the hell it is so hard to spell algorithm?
     
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  6. ACM979

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    Would some sensors that calculate impact, on head and body, allow a scoring based on impact (force) of the punches landed being added and then deciding wich round goes to whom?
    that is the perfect scenario for me.
     
  7. ChiefGego

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    When AI can accurately and consistently tell me how many times the letter S appears in Strawberry, I will trust it to do this
     
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  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let me see some examples of AI scoring first, in relation to human judges before I can render an opinion.
     
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  9. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    No thank you. You can keep your AI for yourself, enjoy it
     
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  10. MetalLicker

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    I think it could be useful. They should use AI as a companion judge for all the big fights and see how it stacks up against the human judges. That's one way for people to warm up to AI judging. It's also a good way to keep the humans in check because if the human judges are corrupt and they score like the Adelaide Bird, the AI could provide a baseline and expose how corrupt some of these judges can be. It basically put pressure on the human judges to score the fight fairly.

    An AI judge was used as an experiment for Usyk/Fury 2 and the judge had the fight for Usyk 118-112. It's slightly wide, but it was the right result.
     
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    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  12. Kiwi Fish

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    What is to stop AI judges being corrupted or changed to suit A fighters? I'm thinking guys who are the big names and super stars of the sport, how many of them would agree to get in the ring and be judged by AI without some sort of assurances?
     
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  13. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Access.
     
  14. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    It would be interesting to have both AI and humans score a fight in real time and see the results. How close or far apart the scores are.
     
  15. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    I can see uses for it without necessarily handing the keys to the sport over to it.

    For example...
    Using it to score or rank judges themselves - not overturning their judgements, but helping to analyse which ones are doing the job properly (ie: should be used more) and which ones are going rogue (and should be used less, trained more, or not be used for important fights).

    AI can give it's interpretation of a fight, but it can just as well tell you which rounds are close, which rounds could swing depending on which metrics a particular judge favours, and which rounds are cast iron locks...
    Then you can see where a judge consistently favours a particular fighter and whether they're finding excuses (ie: being inconsistent on which metrics they score on each round), or whether a judge is judging rounds that on no metric can go to their preferred fighter, etc.


    By doing this, rogue judges could actually be held properly to account by something closer to objective and without individuals having to stick their necks out and call out particular judges for cooking a card or two.
     
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