Should all fighters be tested?

Id say only fights between the top 50 fighters in respective divisions


Also maybe the top 25 at domestic levels

 

Posted this in the British forum but it applies here too I guess:

I don't think testing is the be all and end all as some people seem to. I think the effects of a deep and comprehensive testing protocol would be that a bunch of guys further down the rankings end up getting busted. You might catch some big names out at first as you make the transition to the stricter testing, but not enough.

The fighters making the money in the sport can pay for the stuff that can't be tested, just like Marion Jones, Kelli White, Tim Montgomery, Dwain Chambers, Shane Mosley could. It's the fighters who want to compete with the top guys but who can't afford the top substances who will suffer.

In my opinion there's not much that can be done to stop it. There's so much money in the sport and the PED industry that they will always be keeping one step ahead of the testers. You have to remember, the whole Balco scandal only came out because a guy who was receiving their steroids sent a vile to the anti doping agency. Otherwise they'd more than likely still be producing that, or another substance that can't be tested.

For **** sake, the guy Marquez hired for the Pacquiao fight had previously admitted to developing several variations of HGH and steroids which cannot be detected by the all year round random drug testing used in athletics. Then he shows up in Marquez training camp under an alias and Marquez looks in the best shape of his career :rofl

 

I don't think there's any other option now, it's just getting ridiculous.

 

I believe random testing should be conducted all year round, in between fights where steroid abuse is possible in order to gain that advantage.

 

absolutely. . . no other way around it. . the elephant in the room is now the ****ing 5000 pound unicorn in the room humping a blue whale. . .

not USADA, or VADA. . . Create a separate entity - a uniform NATIONAL commission, that has ultimate authority over all states. . . This will be funded by taking 3% of revenue from each fight (live gate, and tv money/ppv sales). . The commission will have COMPLETE authority over RANDOM, YEAR-ROUND DRUG TESTING for ANY BOXER with an active license in the USA. . . Any International boxer who wishes to compete in the USA must also be subject to it for a term of no less than 180 days before, and after each fight in USA, and have their purse deducted by 3% to help fund.


This commission will not only be responsible for carrying out the drug tests, but also for appointing referees, and judges.


The commission will consist of 50 members - one from each state. They will be randomly selected from the available pool of licensed athletic commissioners, and ringside dr.'s by a state senator. They will serve two-year terms.

 

I'd love to see it but it's probably too expensive. However, maybe random testing once or twice or year for the top 50 or so in each division and full testing in the lead up to anyone headlining an event. Realistically if they tested positive the card would need to be pulled so it would put enormous pressure on any successful boxer not to use.

 

3% of revenue generated from each fight. . . Simple. . .

Each boxer can sacrifice that much if they want to ensure they are competing on a fair playing field.

 

Waste on money and time.

Top of the crop would be even more dominating.

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And how about fake retirements? Random 365/y testing for how long after last fight, 5 years?

 

Well, it would be bizarre to see young fighters retiring early on. I think everyone would be suspicious if that was the case.

It still brings awareness into the sport nonetheless. Yes, will be expensive but it's something the sport desperately needs. Until then, it's actually really difficult to say who the best fighters are.

There is nothing wrong with 24/7 - 365 testing. People like Pacquiao would inevitably leave the sport, as would many others. I personally would be glad to see Pacquiao retire sooner rather than later. Moreover, I would like to see him clean before a fight and see how royally f**ked he would get.

 

Every athlete is on peds, so why bother the ones who win are just more talented.

 

Nah, once you are no longer licensed with a US state (boxing license), then you have a 90 day window wherein you'll still be subjected to tests (if it's after a boxing match). . . If it's already been 90 days since your last fight, while you still had an active license and were subjected to randoms, then it's fine. . you can retire. . You've cleared a 3-month time period post-fight where you were subjected to random tests.

HOWEVER, if you then want to "come back from retirement" and get your license again, then you'll have to be subject to random drug tests for 90-180 days, to ensure you're clean. . . . A "waiting period", essentially. . So lets say even if you did juice for a "year while you're retired." If you don't keep cycling, and you're completely off of it for 6 months, then you'll lose all the benefits from it, so it's pointless.


And you can't just "drop your license" and retire a few weeks after a fight - you'll have to clear a 90 day window IF U WANT THE DECISION TO STAND. . The decision will be automatically changed to a NC, and boxer will be fined, and, or suspended for failing to complete the 90 day post-fight drug test for boxers planning on retiring.

 

Seriously, I'm going to be a lawmaker in the future. . . I'm already working on a proposition for the senators regarding a new commission that is "federal", and overlooks, and has jurisdiction over ALL STATE COMMISSIONS, ALL BOXERS licensed in every state, fighting in ANY STATE.. . . I'm going to be remembered as one of the grass roots pioneers who was in at the ground level for the new boxing legislations requiring "separate, unified, commissions" requiring year round randoms, and the hring of all judges, and referees.

 

BIBBITY BUMPAGE!

Thoughts? Anything to add? Critique?

 

That's not true, at all.

Keeping, let's say 25% of gains after year is very realistic with intelligent training and healthy living.

To lose all gains you'd have to stop training completely, or over-do-it big time. If I remember right; it was two year period you had to 'admit' being clean to get license in powerlifting.

And then there's muscle memory..

--When participating in any sport, new motor skills and movement combinations are frequently being used and repeated. All sports require some degree of strength, endurance training, and skilled reaching in order to be successful in the required tasks. Muscle memory related to strength training probably involves elements of both motor learning, described below, and long-lasting changes in the muscle tissue.

Evidence has shown that increases in strength occur well before muscle hypertrophy, and decreases in strength due to detraining or ceasing to repeat the exercise over an extended period of time precede muscle atrophy. To be specific, strength training enhances motor neuron excitability and induces synaptogenesis, both of which would help in enhancing communication between the nervous system and the muscles themselves.--

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