Should Andre Ward fight the winner of Usyk-Gassiev?

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What do you think of this one?

  1. I would like to see this

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  2. Naw, bad fight

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Either one would crush him
     
  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
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  4. Tyson379

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    Kovalev beat Ward in his first fight, and knocked him down at 175.

    Imagine what Usyk would do to him at 200
     
  5. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Sure. I love watching Andre Ward crush guys that are so called beast. The man is an expert confidence killer. Kovalev is currently on the bum circut as we speak and Ward is building up a big fight with Bivol.
    Ward would beat the snot outta Usuk and Gassass.
     
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  6. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

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    I'd rather see him vs the Emeritus Cruiserweight Champ Tony Bellew or Haye
     
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  7. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

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    Try and feather dust Ward? Ain't gon work in da bay
     
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  9. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    If that's what he's got his eyes on, sure. And intensely disliking the guy is no excuse for counting him out. He's a true, proven elite, will be ranked among the 100 greatest ever to do it by most (if not all) historians, and he's proven you all wrong before. It's one thing to feel a type of way about the guy, but it's another to be foolishly dismissive of his abilities.
     
  10. kirk

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    Of course not.
     
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  11. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Lol! Yes. Please. I would really, really like to see Ward step in with either one. :)
     
  12. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Daring to be great(er) isn't what this sport's about? If he loses, he just loses a fight. It wouldn't be some great smirch on his legacy, history would forgive him a defeat to a quality operator at 200 lbs, so I see no reason not to try to add further lustre to his name. He might be a little past his best, but he's not so far past it that he can't perform. He's at that stage that a well preserved, cerebral fighter gets to toward the back end of a career, where he still has enough of his physical capacity left to benefit from the wealth of experience he has (his fighting intellect being at its peak). It's not like he's Roy, physically shot and fundamentally exposed, soldiering on and kidding himself in search of a relatively meaningless title belt after a string of short-circuiting KO losses. He's still capable, and a fight with the WBSS CW winner would add some important history to his résumé.
     
  13. kirk

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    Why anyone would think its a good idea that a semi past it, retired Ward, plagued with injuries, and not being particularly large for 175, should come back so he can move up 25lbs and fight some of the best fighters hes ever fought in his entire career, in their prime, at cruiserweight.

    Boxing isnt a game where you go and 'give it a go' at a weightclass you clearly dont belong against fighters like Usyk and Gassiev without it taking something from you (usually). You sound exactly like my friend who was talking to me about Brook vs Golovkin. He didnt understand why I didnt want that fight to happen.... and said exactly what you are saying now. 'if he loses he doesnt really lose anything'. Sure enough Brook gets his face broken, career and eyesight in jeopardy, and falls into manic depression. Again, boxing isnt a game where you just throw caution to the wind and try your hand against the likes of a prime Usyk or Gassiev, especially when you will be 35 years old, a bit past it, and coming off a layoff.

    Citing 'daring to be great' to excuse an obvious fools errand is meaningless. Hollow words. Ward has already dared to be great multiple times. At this point, if Ward wanted to really dare to be great, come back and take on the next generation of quality 175lb operators once they establish themselves a tad bit more. Beterbiev, Bivol, ect. That in itself is daring to be great at this stage of Wards career.


    Moving up to fight the winner of this tournament wouldnt be daring to be great, it would just be stupid... it would just be pimping his name out to satisfy the fans that constantly have the desire to see fighters pushed and stretched beyond their capacities and into waters they should never be in in the first place. I really dont see the appeal of wanting to see a guy of Wards size and lack of raw physical talent, at the stage hes currently in in his career, move up to face someone like Gassiev.


    Just imo.
     
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  14. navigator

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    It doesn't appear to be a genuine retirement. He was barely a few months gone before he was hinting at weight gain for a challenge above 175, which has always been a stated goal of Ward's. As I said, he's not past the point of mechanical efficiency, he manages and monitors his physical state very carefully, and his fighting intellect is at its peak.

    While I'm an avowed fan of Kell Brook, he's not an Andre Ward. He doesn't have the breadth of skill or degrees of acuity that can transcend natural physical differentials at a high level. Furthermore, Ward is putting finishing touches on a highly decorated career and is a very level-headed man of faith. One defeat, after stretching the limits of his musculature, is probably not going to send him spiralling into an eternal depression. Brook, by contrast, has realized only a small amount of his potential, was held back in his prime before being put into the wrong fight, was never even able to conquer his career weight class, and it is that compound of unfortunate circumstance which accounts for a large part of whatever disillusionment he feels.

    This conceit that a valiant defeat should ruin Ward or his legacy goes against everything that history has taught us to expect of great fighters. Ever heard of Langford-Flowers? Now there was a guy who was far gone. Yet and still, that might rank as the single greatest victory of all times (it's in the conversation, at very least).
     
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  15. HerolGee

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    no. If Ward wants to fight at cruiserweight then he should qualify for a title figth there just like everyone else does.

    hes beaten the best at LHW, there is no need to linger there and staying there isnt greatness, though it does improve legacy of course.
     
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