I suggest that you watch what you say. Deparaging someones character without proof (physical evidence) may come back at you. One who intentional does this is nothing more than a no good dirty cocksucker.
That's what I think as well:good If a referee is incompatent I dont think that should be used against a fighter in terms of HOF credentials.
i completely agree with this. there's a difference between a sneaky headbutt and putting bricks in your gloves. but back to the liston comparison: liston put blinding substances on his gloves against ali, williams and machen. that was also hidden cheating. what if proof was discovered that dempsey did load his gloves to? fighters in the old days fighters drank between rounds, numbing their pain. does this count? what about titos handwraps or tyson's use of marijuana before fights? it's a tricky topic and i think peoples opinions (much like mine) are biased depending on their favourite fighters.
I wasnt accusing them, when I said those fighters specifically I meant that those are guys that would get into the HOF.
They're good points, this thread seems to have raised more questions then it's answered but it's good a good discussion going as opposed to countless Pac-May threads. I think you can certainly question Liston's use of blinding substances in his fights but I wouldnt really consider marijuana as something serious enough to warrent that kind of punishment, it's not really performance enhancing.
good answer:good yeah, marijuana isn't the same as steroids and handwrap preference is different from handwrap loading
It shouldn't. There are cases were it might hinder induction, but I see not solid argument that alone use of PED's should deny entrance. If you have a great resume, you have to look at each case, not just cut a great boxer off cause he tested positive once. The circumstances are key, and btw if one is caught cheating it should result in a long ban instead of a drop in ratings etc. Boxing needs to use a more international standard on this issue IMO.
If it's discovered they fought WITH THEM, then yes. But if not, then a suspension will suffice. The punishment must match the crime IMHO.
As previously said, cheaters are hard to catch. You could have cheated you whole career and only found out once. If you cheated once, I will/would presume that u always cheated. That would be my opinion. If Ali came out tomorrow and said That he used steroids/plaster in gloves once in a fight...for example with Frazier.. I would immediately think that he used his whole career and would not treat him as an ATG. But a cheater.