Should being caught using PED'S mean no HOF induction?

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  1. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Except a loaded glove is there to be inspected, and the PED can be tested for.
     
  2. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I suggest that you watch what you say.
    Deparaging someones character without proof (physical evidence) may come back at you.
    One who intentional does this is nothing more than a no good dirty cocksucker.
     
  3. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    That's what I think as well:good

    If a referee is incompatent I dont think that should be used against a fighter in terms of HOF credentials.
     
  4. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    you voted?
     
  5. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i completely agree with this. there's a difference between a sneaky headbutt and putting bricks in your gloves.

    but back to the liston comparison: liston put blinding substances on his gloves against ali, williams and machen. that was also hidden cheating.

    what if proof was discovered that dempsey did load his gloves to?

    fighters in the old days fighters drank between rounds, numbing their pain. does this count?

    what about titos handwraps or tyson's use of marijuana before fights?

    it's a tricky topic and i think peoples opinions (much like mine) are biased depending on their favourite fighters.
     
  6. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    No, PED is too vague a term.
     
  7. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I wasnt accusing them, when I said those fighters specifically I meant that those are guys that would get into the HOF.
     
  8. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Well, just illegal advantages in general, what about handwraps?
     
  9. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Loaded or taped diffrently?
     
  10. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    They're good points, this thread seems to have raised more questions then it's answered but it's good a good discussion going as opposed to countless Pac-May threads.

    I think you can certainly question Liston's use of blinding substances in his fights but I wouldnt really consider marijuana as something serious enough to warrent that kind of punishment, it's not really performance enhancing.
     
  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Loaded, Margarito-style, not Tito-style.
     
  12. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    good answer:good yeah, marijuana isn't the same as steroids and handwrap preference is different from handwrap loading
     
  13. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    It shouldn't. There are cases were it might hinder induction, but I see not solid argument that alone use of PED's should deny entrance.

    If you have a great resume, you have to look at each case, not just cut a great boxer off cause he tested positive once.

    The circumstances are key, and btw if one is caught cheating it should result in a long ban instead of a drop in ratings etc.

    Boxing needs to use a more international standard on this issue IMO.
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    If it's discovered they fought WITH THEM, then yes. But if not, then a suspension will suffice. The punishment must match the crime IMHO.
     
  15. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As previously said, cheaters are hard to catch.
    You could have cheated you whole career and only found out once.
    If you cheated once, I will/would presume that u always cheated. That would be my opinion.

    If Ali came out tomorrow and said That he used steroids/plaster in gloves once in a fight...for example with Frazier..
    I would immediately think that he used his whole career and would not treat him as an ATG.
    But a cheater.