should Bivol and Beterbiev be devalued because they're one division champion?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by monaim, Apr 9, 2024.


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  1. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Why isn't Usyk your kind of man or fighter? It's not like he's all that dissimilar from Lomachenko, I mean... he's kind of heavyweight version of him. I don't want you to like him like I like him... but it would be nice if you'd give him a little bit of credit, instead of being a virulent and irrational hater of his, calling him overrated, when he clearly isn't.

    The gauntlet he ran at Cruiserweight alone, makes him an all-time great in that division. Now at heavyweight after only a handful of fights he probably has one of the best resumes in the division. Although I have a feeling, when he beats Fury, you still won't give him an ounce of credit.

    As far as Bud goes, there are no wins on his resume that equal those on Usyk's. Not even the dried out thoroughly tenderized half baked corpse of Errol Spence. His runs at lightweight and light welter were goddamn dire. Still, he's in my top five, which proves I do rate him.

    I'm not being emotional, I'm a foul mouth American, my usages of vulgarities is of a casual nature. Which I understand, doesn't always translate well over the internet.
     
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  2. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I said he is great CW and very solid HW. what else do you want ?

    He is overrated right now because of people like you, who are giving him to much credit for beating just AJ. He was always good, but not that good at HW, like you are saying. He needs to prove a lot still. not enough fights to consider him great at HW.

    Because his actions and words don't match each other, sadly.

    He was saying that he can't divide people, right now all he is doing is diving his people from his native people.(Crimeans)

    He said that he was a christian, but did not do/say anything when people were attacking his church. (unlike Loma, who is protecting his faith/church and god openly)

    He is speaking broken ukrainian in front of a camera, when he was speaking in russian all his life with his family/interviews and in private(he is playing a role right now, which is very very sad for me to watch)


    His answers are short, not because he has nothing to say to Fury, but because his vocabulary in ukrainian is very small and he can't even express his feeling for something without thinking how to say certain words(which is tragic to watch for me, since I understand both russian and ukrainian)

    You know why I respect ALI ? he was saying things he actually believed, not obeying politics and other people. Usyk become weak, he is obeying politics in his country, so I can't respect him as a man.

    I understand that you are from different part of this planet, so you can't understand certain things, but Usyk has become coward for me, since he can't protect what he loved the most. (god, his words, his actions, his people, his stance)

    Loma is doing all that, not paying attention to certain people attacking him all the time and calling him a traitor, just because he is still speaking in his native language and protecting church/god that he believed all his life.

    You know ukrainians put Usyk and Loma both on traitors(official) list before this war ? just because they were in a documentary orthodox movie speaking about their faiths ? since then one of them changed his faith and other is still openly believes in god.
     
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