Should Buster Being Down for 14 seconds...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by djanders, Jun 10, 2021.

  1. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 21, 2009 the Tyson fight, have been a bigger deal? It was 13.65 seconds, to be exact. Wasn't Sonny Liston considered knocked out in Lewiston in less that 12 seconds, in spite of the count, or lack thereof?

    What if there had never been a Tunney long count? Would the Douglas long count have been a bigger deal then? Did Tyson's case suffer because of the "We've been down that path before" syndrome, and "We ain't goin' down that road again?"

    Your thoughts?
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  2. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 31, 2016
    It was 31 years ago who cares anymore? Plus the count between Douglas and Tyson was identical..... It had no real importance, Douglas dominated and beat the snot outta Iron Mike.
  3. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne’s life coach. Full Member

    Aug 18, 2019
    The largest misconception is that you have ten seconds to get up.

    In reality you have until the ref counts to ten to get up. These are two different things.

    Buster was looking at the ref, waiting to hear the number he was trained to listen for and got up easily. He wasn’t really hurt and even slammed his own glove down on the mat in a moment of “How stupid of me to walk into that” clarity.

    Let it go. Tyson lost to the better man that night.
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2021
  4. sasto

    sasto Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 5, 2020
    I think you're right that a precedent was set of not overturning long counts.

    Most of the controversial ones involve KD scorers not going to a neutral corner, I'm not sure what the rule is about that, if that should delay the count at all.
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  5. BoxingDialogue

    BoxingDialogue Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 26, 2019
    Wasn’t it a big deal though? I’ve heard that Don King even tried to get the official result overturned to a KO for Tyson. Tyson himself and his deluded fanboys say nowadays that he really deserved to win because of the supposed long count.
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  6. HolDat

    HolDat Active Member Full Member

    Sep 25, 2020
    YES. The long count between Dempsey vs Tunney was a huge deal.

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  7. Wrongun

    Wrongun Member Full Member

    Jul 29, 2018
    God wilders brain damaged excuse making is causing people to forget the rules of boxing
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  8. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    King quite liked a dodgy count when it came to Mike's money.
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  9. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 15, 2019
    Controversial count. The referee himself in a documentary admitted he was determined to help Buster get up before the count as he was like his son in their last night
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  10. JabbaTheGut

    JabbaTheGut Member Full Member

    Sep 17, 2019
    He would've got up anyway same with Tunney against Dempsey
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  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 25, 2019
    Yeah Buster was making him look stupid from round 1 to the end.. Tysons punch, although timed well, felt like a lucky punch
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  12. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

    Sep 8, 2010
    I'm not sure how it's controversial whatsoever.

    A fighter can get up at the count of three and if the ref wants to wave it off then it's waved off.
  13. vast

    vast Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Nov 27, 2010
    It was played out when it happened. It was made a big deal by the sore loser Tyson and his boys. Buster beat the refs count, case closed.
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  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    It was a big deal at the time. I was only a casual fan back then being only 14 and even I was aware of all the furor over the long count.

    Fact is as pointed out in this thread it's the ref's count that has to be beaten not 10 seconds. Maybe the rules should be changed and we have a clock above ring to show fans and the ref the count as soon as a fighter goes down.

    But the rules now have been adhered too for the Tyson long count, the Fury long count and the Benn long count. Fans of the losing fighters will forever dispute the result over the count but you can't go back and change history most fans have accepted the official result and moved on.
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  15. Boris Johnson

    Boris Johnson Member Full Member

    Jul 23, 2019
    It was a hard knockdown to be sure, but Buster still had his wits about him (and beat the count), whereas Tyson was crawling around on his hands and knees in a very sorry state looking for his mouthpiece.

    How about that final combination from Buster, hey?
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