Should Bute have been counted out against Andrade?

As above, Bute was not saved by the bell.

A scenario where a fighter was allowed to be 'saved by the bell' would be as follows: Bute goes down with two seconds left, the referee counts 'one, two', the bell then rings after the allotted three minutes, the referee stops counting as the fight is over, despite Bute still slumped in the corner and we go to the scorecards.

The above is not what happened and that is what is meant by not being able to be saved by the bell. Despite there only being two seconds left in the round when he went down, the referee still had to count on and Bute still had to get back up or he would have been counted out. Once he does get up, as per IBF rules quoted earlier, the bell then rings and the fight is then over.

 

Apparently when the bell rings at the end of the final round, the fight is over. Whoodda thunk itatsch

 

From what I just read, after some quick research, the final bell is not to ring until the referee deems the fighter fit to continue, regardless of whether there is anything to continue or not, and regardless of whether or not he beat the count. It is not the ref's job to worry about how much time is left, but rather to protect the fighters, whatever the time on the clock may say, including none.

 

Sure Bute was saved by the bell. no referee in the world would have allowed to continue the fight if there had been time left on the clock. the referee has to assert that Bute was in absolutely no condition to continue and in danger to get seriously hurt if the fight had continued and therefore he has to weave the bout off. he has the power to since he can stop a fight at any stage. the fight wasnt over at that point since the bell didnt ring bc the rule does not say the bell has to ring immediately after the downed fighter has rised but only that it shall not ring while the fighter is still down as pointed out already.

 

Oh ****, I was reading the WBO rules. I don't know why. I guess because I subconciously feel that the WBO belt is more appropriate for Bute.

 

atsch Why should it not ring IMMEDIATLY when the fighter gets up, there is no time left, he can't get hit one more time by Andrade... How could he suffer more serious injuries...

 

Already disproven, you're just making yourself look stupid by keep saying it.

So, according to you, the timekeeper can just add on more time to the end of the fight at his own discretion?

The rules state that the bell should ring once the downed fighter has risen and his gloves are clear of the floor. That's fairly specific. That doesn't mean that the timekeeper can pick some time of his own choosing after that has happened to end the fight.

 

This is the perfect explanation of the exact scenario and rule in effect ! Everyone that voted Bute should have been counted out, just plain out want to hate Bute or don't give a **** about knowing the true facts.

Either way..what does that make them..?

 

Bute shouldn't have been counted out in the Bute-Andrade I fight, according to the real IBF rules in effect. There's no denying that, whether the referee looked like a fool or not is irrelevant with real facts and rules.

On the other hand, I personally don't like that IBF rule where a fighter can just make it up within 10 seconds, without having his gloves touching the floor and win even if he's in no condition to continue. I would much prefer to have universal rules for all organizations, where fighters need to be judged in condition to continue at all times, even when time expires.

 

Doesn't make sense. The purpose of a tko is for a referee to be able to prevent a fighter from suffering damage that may result from fighting to a knockout conclusion.

People seem to have lost sight of this.

 

It's the main purpose but it doesn't mean it has to be the sole one either and that's why other associations view things differently.

 

Is there any justification that you can actually give for why a guy who has dominated the fight and gets to the final bell without being knocked out should then be told that he has lost the fight because the referee doesn't believe he'd be up to a hypothetical thirteenth round?

Show me the logic.

 

I just wouldn't want a guy to be saved by the bell when it's obvious that if it wasn't for the bell, he wouldn't be able to continue or sustain anymore punishment. The point is to keep the suspense going and allow the other guy a chance to win til' the very end. It's a matter of opinion, that's all.

 

You either don't follow boxing or .... well, just.......atsch

 

He does have the chance to win until the end. If he can knock his opponent out. Not if the referee decides that he would probably knock him out if the fight were 13 rounds long.