Should Canelo be given credit for fighting at higher weight classes despite his proportions?

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  1. Put to the test

    Put to the test Member Full Member

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    there will never be another canelo
     
  2. Izakaya

    Izakaya Member Full Member

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    Given Canelo's bodybuild regardless of his height he won't make LW without dying now.

    That is the equivalent of saying to those claiming Inoue should fight at 135 because he's got the same height as Tank that Tank should be fighting at 118-122 range because he's the same height as Inoue.
     
  3. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey Just taking a break, folks Full Member

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    I think you've got your facts a bit mixed up there. Canelo and his team negotiated to fight Kovalev after Kovalev's victory over Eleider Alvarez, but the WBO ordered Kovalev to defend against Yarde before he could fight Canelo. The fact that Kovalev beat a young, hard-hitting contender right before Canelo should be a cap in his hat imo, not a point of criticism. The rehydration clause Canelo had was a weight which Kovalev hadn't even entered the ring at in his career, he was used to the 10lb limit as an IBF champ anyway. I don't care who you are or when you do it, but it takes cojones to get in the ring with Sergey Kovalev, that man hits like a mule. Besides, Kovalev spends most of his time out of camp binge-drinking vodka anyway, that rest very possibly would've made him perform even worse. Canelo has been fighting since the age of 13, and professionally since the age of 15. He's been a world champion since he was 19 and has faced a plethora of incredibly skilled or heavy-handed fighters. He's fought Mayweather, GGG, Lara, Cotto, Trout, Smith, Jacobs, Saunders, Kovalev, and Bivol on top of about a dozen other championship-tested fighters. He has been fighting the best in the sport since he was a clean-shaven teenager. As long as he's still defending his titles against top 10 opposition at 168, I don't really have a problem, I think he's already cemented himself as an ATG, even if I do want to see him fight the Benavidez-Morrell winner.
     
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  4. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Absolutely and I used to hate Canelo, dude proved me wrong.
     
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  5. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He’s like a mini Mike Tyson in terms of build. Stocky, high bone density, thick bones, high muscle density, etc. probably walks around at 180.

    So, despite being short, he’s not really fighting out of natural weight class. Doubt he could make lower than SMW these days without ending up in a hospital.

    he’s got to overcome his height and reach issues, but he’s a probably a natural LHW without dehydration.
     
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  6. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Yes, not only because they’re big, but because of the styles as well. Since Canelo has always had pretty slow feet, it’s impressive that he beats these naturally bigger, high movement boxers.
     
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  7. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am in the minority that think Canelo from Ryder fight beats Benavidez. Benavidez only fights going forward. What happens when an opponent doesnt back up? I dont think David has a toolkit for that which is why hes been weight draining to 168. Morrell is very live in their upcoming fight.
     
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  8. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    **** doesn't make sense to me, dude's static as fk WITH short arms yet somehow is always in range.
     
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  9. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Canelo is a natural 168 lb guy. Is he a little too small for light-heavyweight? Sure. But despite him being short, he is very stocky. There is no way he is small for 168. So the answer is no.
     
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  10. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was already PEDing hard versus Golovkin when he 'needed time to get to MW'. Then he was bullying giant SMWs like Callum Smith and hitting harder. Then he broke Saunders' face with a single punch. This is a fighter who couldn't hurt Cotto.

    So it's pretty obvious he has had major physical assistance to compensate for the natural size difference. That's why he shouldn't get credit. Other reasons people mention also.

    He's the most obvious PED abuser in boxing.
     
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  11. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Doesn't really work that way otherwise look at Paul Williams or Thomas Hearns for example, people carry weight differently that's why weight classes makes sense but a height based one would not. Besides Canelo popped for Clenbuterol which is known for its ability to increase lean muscle mass and reduce body fat so you have to wonder what his natural weight class actually was, so he should he lose points for that correct?
     
  12. DON1

    DON1 ICEMAN Full Member

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    Yes for sure.
     
  13. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    So you totally ignore Kolalev only having a 2 month break between fights at 36 years of age after almost getting knocked out? That was a huge handicap, and that version of Kovalev in the ring was not the crusher, he was very timid.

    heh, so that's how low your bar is? Anyone in the top 10? which obviously included bums like Berlanga who had no business fighting for undisputed along with Mungia. Thats the problem with the sport , apologists like you who defend their fighter no matter what he does.
     
  14. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kinda, he also should be penalized for actually having 6 (real losses).
     
  15. LrryMrchntsFlsk

    LrryMrchntsFlsk Active Member Full Member

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    Berlanga and Munguia were his mandatories, if he didn't fight them he'd be stripped of his titles. I won't judge him for fighting his mandatories, but he definitely should have fought Benavidez and I'll give him slack for avoiding him.