Should Dawson drop John Scully?

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  1. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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  2. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dawson drop Scully,NO-Scully should drop Dawson.He is a waste of time and energy.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  4. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Scully, why didn't you just tell him to double the jab like Jack Loew?

    Kidding!!
     
  5. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's true that Dawson's skills continue to decline everytime he switches trainers. It's not your fault though that Dawson fired 7 trainers before hiring you. You were put in a tough spot you had to come up with a gameplan against Bernard Hopkins. I'm assuming you did not have the time to evaluate Dawson, see what he does wrong, what he needs to fix.

    Andre Ward as great as he is, he wouldn't be the boxer he is today if he switched trainers every year or two.

    Dawson looked great in 2007 and a lot of that credit goes to Floyd Mayweather Sr. His defense improved under Sr and just his overall skills. Sr taught him lateral movement, how to use his height and reach to establish the jab, and other things that improved his game. It's no coincidence that Chad hasn't looked the same since leaving Floyd Mayweather Sr.

    Chad's footwork is not good as it used to be, he's not using foot movement to distance himself against smaller opponents. Dawson is 6'3 why is he ducking low trying to be Pernell Whitaker? Emmanuel Steward discouraged that, and told him NOT to do that, and Chad listened. Chad needs a trainer to fix his mistakes. Just watch his tapes in 2007, and watch the fight against Diaconu when Steward was in his corner. I know a lot fans criticize that fight, but Chad was doing a lot of things right. Watch the Adamek fight. Adamek wasn't that much smaller then Chad, yet Chad did not fight small, he kept Adamek at arm's length, using lateral movement to distance himself.
     
  6. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Scully is very knowledgeable man. If you were ever able to hear him speak of the game you'll have a different impression of him. It's not the trainers fault if the boxer does not apply what you tell him but I also heard camp for them didn't go so good and Dawson was in saunas a lot.
     
  7. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't really believe in conditioning coach that much it's just another way to think you are actually going to be that much better and I don't know how true it is but his conditioning coach had no communication with the head trainer. I don't think Mayweather has a conditioning coach and his conditioning is never a problem
     
  8. Danmann

    Danmann Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A trainer is with fighter in gym all the time leading up to fight, he knows what works and what doesn't with a particular boxer, a fan watching clips of what is said in between rounds thinking THEY :roll: know what to say better than trainer is a joke. If a guy goes Teddy Atlas stupid, then it is obvious, but Scully was working with guy best the could, his fighter was just overmatched on this night. People can't seem to except a a loss by their guy, or a win by guy they hate, so they blame trainer, ref, and anyone else they can.
     
  9. Juan Ma Lopez

    Juan Ma Lopez Active Member Full Member

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    He was gone at the weight in his normal weight class he looked completly different
     
  10. Ripple633

    Ripple633 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I never claimed I know Dawson better then Scully. But I want to make things clear from what I see as a fan, Dawson hasn't looked good under Scully. I wasn't impressed by neither Hopkins fights, and this isn't something I noticed after the Ward fight. I noticed this after the Hopkins fight that Dawson can't throw the left-cross correctly. Dawson footwork looked worse. Any fan can see that Dawson wasn't going to beat Ward by the way he fought against Hopkins.

    Hopkins had the most OBVIOUS strategy against Dawson. He was using footwork to avoid Dawson's jab and circling to Dawson's right. Chad should have been pumping out the left cross repeatedly, but he couldn't for some reason. And everytime Chad would shoot the straight left, his feet would get out of place, and it wasn't even a straight left, it was a crooked straight left. When Chad was with Steward against Diaconu, he was throwing the left-cross at will and correctly. He was using foot movement to create distance. Dawson had a hard time creating distance against Hopkins and getting his feet in proper position, which is probably why he couldn't throw the straight-left correctly.


    As for the preparation for the Ward fight, it was terrible from what I heard. He got knocked out from Miranda, he spent more time losing weight than training, there were reports from Chad's own brother that he was getting beat up by his sparring partners. It didn't matter what advice Scully gave to Dawson, because preparation for the fight was terrible and he was weight drained. Chad was not mentally nor physically ready for Ward
     
  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Chad looked like he didn't have a clue in there and that was the worst corner work I've ever heard. Fire his @%#!
     
  12. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks for taking the time to share with us John.Really appreciate it.As you'll see there are plenty of us who thought you were doing a great job,and like I said,it was so refreshing to see a trainer tell a fighter that he had to go for it as early as you did.I thought your pep talk at the end of the eighth should have had much more of an effect than it did.
    Best of luck in the future and hope you have time to come back on and share your thoughts with us.
    Looking forward to your next BN guest column as well.:thumbsup
     
  13. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Big of the man to come on guys.Wouldn't you agree?
     
  14. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks, my man...yeah, I'm amazed at how many people read BN, its a great magazine over there in the UK...I lovve writingfor them...
     
  15. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Always a pleasure to read your opinion :good

    Just out of interest, how do you think the weight affected Dawson? I thought he looked pretty poor compared to how good he can be.