Should Dubois be praised for his performance?

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Before anything else, this ain't another lowblow thread, it's mentioned in the video obviously, but the thread is not about whether it was or not. I hope that is clear for everyone.

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    The main points from the video :
    Dubois is getting too much praise from here and there for literally doing nothing but land an illegal blow.
    Why the UK media is praising and defending him, when the guy Quit.
    Does Dubois for real suffer an broken orbital bone against Joyce. And i will add to that, does Dubois really suffer from the knee injury in the Lerena fight as well ?

    He also says that technically and i full agree wtih him, this was the best Dubois we have ever seen. He was in phenomenal shape. Not bad footwork at all, fast, strong, powerful punches, very explosive.
    But on the end of the day Dubois quit.


    And i agree with a lot of the stuffs the guy above says, and i will add this:

    Dubois did quit, when he realize he can't do anything to Usyk. He literally tries everything, but he was getting bathered.
    He goes low, he goes to the body, he was head hunting, landed few hard punches, Usyk didn't blink at all.
    Usyk was going through the gear and was uping the pace, and Dubois was having no answer and was clearly starting to gassing, both mentally and physically.

    And when he see he don't have anything for Usyk, he took the easy way out, aka quitting.

    Usyk beat the fight out of Dubois. This is the pure definition.
     
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  2. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    Usyk did as I expected. It was a good performance.

    Dubois quitting probably should of been expected too. He doesn't appear to have the mindset of a champion. He's mentally fragile.
     
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  3. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I usually have you on ignore, as don't want timeless discussion, but apart from the mental part, how you rate his technical performance?
    Do you see improvements in him, compare to his previous fights? Do you see him as a future Champion, as he is so so young, and at very high level already.

    Also i think a lot of that "heart" thing is probably cause he didn't face that type of adversity, and when you are not prepare mentally for that, and physically you are on the edge, you seems to give up.

    Probably needs harder sparrings, that puts him on defense and to eat a few punches and learn how to deal with it, and continue to fight.
    You are fighting how you train really. If you are not prepared for something, good luck to overcome it when the fights come.
     
  4. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    I disagree with this bit...

    Yes he was hopelessly outclassed and behind on the cards to an insurmountable extent.. but!

    He only ever had a punchers chance, his sight wasn't gone and his legs weren't gone - he still had a punchers chance at the point that he quit.

    Unless he was expecting to win with a lowblow and realized that the ref was applying the rules properly for a change, he had no reason to quit at the point that he did, IMHO.
     
  5. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    You only ignore me becuase of my stance on one paticular boxer. I dont really care about any of that losh. They're only opinions.

    Technically, I dont think Dubois imposed himself enough. Although he did stay in the pocket and was willing to trade, he reminded me of AJ a bit in the way he turned to boxing Usyk rather than putting his stature upon him. Which was a negative IMO. There arent many in history who could outbox Usyk.
    Its true also that if the ring was dry, Usyk would of moved more and I think would of done more damage to Dubois. The wet ring hampered Usyk but he dealt with it perfectly.

    Dubois is young, but I dont think he can learn "heart". He loses his self belief very easily. I think thats ingrained, and I dont see it changing in future although I do hope I'm wrong for his own sake.
     
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  6. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    No. Dubois was bad. What did he win, 1 or 2 rounds? He’s a mediocre boxer with a bad chin. I don’t even want to think about him or his future bouts anymore.
     
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  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What i mean is, look at the round 7-9 again. He literally tries to throw everything. At the round 5 he actually try to jump at Usyk after the lowblow situation(don't want to discuss it), but nothing comes out of it.

    He sees that he have no chance in anything. As let's be real he was talking a big game before the fight, he and his team.
    That he would have smash Usyk little CW head, that he is 10 years younger, but at 7-9 round it was clear he was getting tired and tired, and Usyk was just changing gear, and wasn't tired at all.

    I think Dubois realize that he can't hurt Usyk, body shot didn't worked, the head hunting didn't worked at all. Usyk wasn't hurt at all, and he just see no-hope in doing anything, but receive a beating, took the knee and gave up.
     
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  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I agree completely, but why do you think he couldn't impose himself, as they were all talking i mean from his team that he won't do the AJ mistake and box with Usyk. That he will impose and use his size, being rough and dirty as possible, but we didn't see any of that.
    Not mentioning the lowblows and the situation in the 5 round. I mean why he didn't try to bully Usyk?

    I'm asking cause i see a lot of people talking about that, but at the end no one could done it. Could it be that Usyk just don't allow to be clinched/holding/ leaning on him.
    He just break straight away, as there is 1 attempt from Dubois to clinch, but Usyk break it straight away.


    And this currently maybe not a very popular opinion, but i really like to see Dubois with the likes of Joyce again, Zhang, AJ, Hrgovic, Wilder, Ruiz, and why not Fury as well.

    And while he may lose all of this matches, he certainly will have his chances, due to how hard he is hitting.
    And being still 25( i even though he was 26), he can improve by quite a lot in the next few years.
    It will be interesting to see his career to be fair.
     
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  9. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    Dubois was never going to be good enough, and I never expected him to be in all honesty. He's struggled with much lesser opponents than Usyk. Thats the be all and end all for me with this one.

    The boy can surely bang though, and if he can pull together some confidence against the likes of whom you state, maybe his "heart" will grow with it. I'll reserve complete judgement for now, due to his age.
     
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  10. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    He should get no praise for the low blow that he seems to think was a great shot. Other than that he presented little in the fight and folded pretty quickly when the pressure was applied. Hope the payday was worth it Fwank.
     
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  11. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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  12. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah. He quit again.

    I somewhat have sympathy for the Joyce fight because his eye was completely ****ed, but there's no excuses for quitting again vs Usyk.
     
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  13. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No
    He pulled a Ryan G
    Credit to Dubois & Garcia for getting in the ring with some killers.
    But they both opted out - they had zero answers.

    if you take a job after talking a great one in an interview - you won’t get praised if it turns out you can’t handle the pressure & quit.
     
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  14. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He quit like a dog. Coward.
     
  15. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    No.

    I’m embarrassed as a fellow brit. Let us praise Dereck Chisora.

    A real warrior, who gave it his all and expended every last iota of energy in his being to try and defeat Usyk. He used everything and anything in that ring. And there were no belts and no titleshot in question.

    I praise you Derek Chisora.
     
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