Should Dundee Have Walked Away From Ali When Pacheco Did?

I remember that situation, great post.

 

first off, the guy that should have left was Pacheco. By the latest we are talking the Manila bout.
hardly the same guy anytime after that & most could see the obvious deterioration. His hands alone were a huge problem---not even getting into the physical toll of absorbing punches.

So I think Angelo was perfect and the real guy to question was the doctor in his corner.

 

Dundee was a well respected trainer and he was very good with Ali, but I watched a docu a few year ago of a young amateur that lifted the lid a bit on behind the scenes with Dundee. Everything was money with him, talked about his fighters a bit like they were just pieces of meat with "we could make a lot of money from this kid" and matching some fighters up that he shouldn't have. How true it all was I don't know, it was a Scottish retired amateur, im gonna look for the vid on youtube, but I got the feeling Dundee wasn't as decent as I first thought

 

If he cared that much he would've walked, that's what showing you care is, it hurts to be apart so you walk, no way do I believe he done it because he was worried he'd be exploited

 

This......And this $$$$$$$$$

 

Never heard of this off anyone else, but this caught my attention as it would make sense to me. Ali phoned up Foreman asking him to fight Norton as he "is afraid of you" to get him out the way. I definitely could see your opinion being true, Ali was a sly ol dog it seems

 

To allow Ali in the ring with Holmes was criminal at that point, but to walk with him into the ring with Berbick was as shameful an act committed by any trainer in history. Getting paid to work the corner of a known brain damaged fighter.

 

Also I don't think Ali felt too threatened by Jimmy Ellis. In The Greatest his 1977 biopic, when he hears that Jimmy Ellis won the WBA Tournament, he says something like, "Jimmy Ellis?, I've been whuppin on that boy for years." He probably thought Ellis could have Angelo Dundee, it isn't going to help him much.

 

Ah, so there is a reason behind it, he had too or he would've gone with his star pupil ??

 

Ali was obviously shot when he started training for the Holmes fight.
However by all accounts when he arrived in Vegas a few weeks before the fight he was doing 6 mile runs and engaging in unbroken work outs of 30 odd minutes.
All things considered he was looking pretty sharp and his weight was down.
However approaching fight time a few days before by all accounts he was lethargic and couldn’t run half a mile.
It’s said he was being prescribed drugs who’s side effects meant he should have been nowhere a boxing ring.
It sounds as though a few people can be considered guilty here.

 

he also had those less than perfect observations from the Mayo clinic before that fight.

 

I wasn't aware of this, I stand corrected - I tend to view Dundee through rose-colored glasses, though fully aware that people are seldom just one thing ...