Should Dundee Have Walked Away From Ali When Pacheco Did?

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  1. autumn1976

    autumn1976 Member Full Member

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    Absolutely. Nothing to even discuss. Dundee could not stop Ali fighting on, true enough. He did not have to be a party to it, though. I'm surprised that Dundee receives so little flak. Ali was patently damaged in 1980 and Dundee made a very nice payday 'training' him to face a beast like Holmes. Blood money. I despise Dundee and the rest of Ali's 'circus'.
     
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  2. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would have walked away after the third Norton fight when Kenny was bashing his brains in
     
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  3. divac

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    Eddie Futch trained both Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks. When they fought eachother, Futch did'nt want to chose between them and just decided to bow out of the fight and let Holmes and Spinks each hire different trainers.

    You want to talk about true character, his name was Eddie Futch.
     
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  5. autumn1976

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    Yes, Mark, September '76 would have been an intelligent time for Ali to walk away (although I don't think Norton bashed Ali's brains in at Yankee Stadium). Not one of Ali's subsequent fights truly enhanced his legacy, did they? No chance of Dundee walking away from Ali in '76. Money was more important to him than Ali's health.
     
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  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    That's true.

    On the other hand, "If I don't do it, someone else who can't protect Ali as well from his own recklessness will" is arguably better, since the goal isn't profiting from it, but minimizing the damage Ali does to himself.

    That said, since most people here doubt that Dundee cared much about protecting Ali (as opposed to getting a seat on the gravy train), I doubt the above distinction even matters.
     
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  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Dundee didn't even stop the Holmes fight of his own volition ,he acted on a signal from Herbert Muhammad.
    He may have convinced himself he stayed to protect Ali, but he will never convince me.
     
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  8. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was just following orders.
     
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  9. autumn1976

    autumn1976 Member Full Member

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    Spot on, Tonto62. I'm glad to see that most of the posters here see through Dundee's shtick.
     
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  10. autumn1976

    autumn1976 Member Full Member

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    Good one!
     
  11. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes, we heard that at the Nuremberg trials.
     
  12. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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