Should "Effective" Arm Punches be scoring shots?

Those hard thudding shots are EFFECTIVE

not in a scoring sense ...no

although he will get the benefit of the doubt from most judges as he is the “A-side - cash cow”

He is not using those hardthudding shots with the intent to score points.

He is using them to wear & break his opponents down.
He is throwing to the body & it is wise for his opponents to try to absorb & block them with their arms clearly .
However they are paying the price regardless when they do.

Canelo is KOing everybody
Ask BJS, all of his KO/conquered opponents & especially Callum smith
With his blown up bicep if those shots were EFFECTIVE?

 

Then the effect they gain is material. They are their own reward.

I don't like the idea of "Oh Canelo landed a punch to the arm, let's give him a point" and two seconds later "Oh Saunders landed a punch to the arm, I don't think he hits hard, so that doesn't count".

 

yeah agreed on scoring effectiveness.

But what was the last fight that went to the cards where Canelo won on “arm punches” being scored in your opinion ?

 

Well they don't score punches to the arms, or at least they shouldn't. The only time I'd count punches to the arms when scoring a fight is if the other guy does nothing at all. Then I'd say that the guy punching the arms is trying to make a fight of it and should get the nod.

 

Because the long standing rules say they don't count. Also, if someone blocks a hard shot or turns his shoulder to defelct a shot, how will that be scored? Judging is too objective already. Let's just keep things the way they have always been in regard to scoring blows.

 

It's a subjective area. In general most arm punches are just effectively blocked punches and weren't intended to land on the arms.

I consider purposeful punches to the arms a lost techniques from the 60s-80s. I consider arm punches part of ring generalship if it looks purposeful. Purposeful techniques are punches arms and gloves to control timing, pacing, distance, and future counters/traps. Another purposeful technique is to to tire out guys arms so by the end of the fight it's hard to hold their arms up for defense. I consider it "scoring" blows it's pushing an opponent back or they look scared.

However I also agree with Babality people also score based on their preferences. I consider hard punches that make fighters wince more effective. Some guys consider shoe shining punches just as effective which blows my mind.

 

Absolutely not. Not for professional boxing.

I'm happy for it to add to "ring generalship" and if fighting off the backfoot and slipping all the power punches then I think the round should be scored 10 - 9 in said boxers favour but NOT otherwise.

I was team Billy last night but I only gave him 1 round. Canelo tagged Billy with more effective punches in nearly every round and Billy sure felt the power.

 

I in over all think that he, yeah, had out boxed Smith is there bicep or is not in the game.
This fight I had scored for Canelo as full UD.

Regards hitting guard I do have different opinions.
One example from experience : I had blocked power kick on so called floating guard and with power. He was down with loud sound after this for 6 seconds and ref had ruled this as a slip.
While the same lad had been down vs me cos foot sweep for 2 seconds and had jumped up fresh, he get damn a count there in the same fight. Okey, this was under KB rules.

 

Why not, in some fights % I had did knee was legal to use for a kick.
Ok, in clinch 1 knee in 1 short episode unlike in MT full rules.'

 

You could tell by BJS body language and reactions that Canelo’s punches were effective.

 

Problem with that is how do you begin to judge if a fighter was pushed back from being stationary to if they were attempting to ride a shot ?