Should fighters who get knocked clean out like Ricardo Torres come back so quick?

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  1. lmartin

    lmartin Member Full Member

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    To me, it's pushing it. His third fight with Kendall Holt (which I'm all for) should come after he's had at least a couple of "gimmes" in Columbia to give him time to recover and to let him get a bit of confidence as well. I've seen many fighters knocked cold as a wedge like he was come back too soon and their ability to absorb punches seems even less than was the case before. If I was handling Torres, no way do I put him in there again with Holt so soon. I think the human head needs more time to recup after such a devastating knockout. I mean he was completely out for over a minute before he as much as batted an eye. What do you all think?
     
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  2. A Rock

    A Rock SAMUEL ETO'O!!!!! Full Member

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    no, he was doing really well until he got hit with that money punch. Plus he did not even have very long to absorb much punishment. all of those gimmes are the type of thing that ruin boxing.

    this is like arguing that marquez and vasquez should have had gimmes in between their trilogy which we all know would have taken away that trilogys dynamism.
     
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  3. Hex-One

    Hex-One P4P #1 Full Member

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    I think Torres needs a break from boxing. The knockout was brutal. The headbutt clearly hurt Torres and the punch afterwords pretty much finished him off. I would like to see the rematch but Torres needs some time off.

    My 2 cents.:D
     
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  4. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    torres got KO'd because he fought with his brawn and not his brains.

    WK got KO'd because he his chin is bad.

    if WK can do what he's done since then, i guarantee you torres can also if he's made of half the stuff.

    he just needs to use his brain a bit more.
     
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  5. truewarrior

    truewarrior Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He didnt get "hit clean" it was a nasty headbutt! Wont happen again in a rematch.
     
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  6. lmartin

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    But in no way did Vazquez or Marquez suffer such a brutal concussion like Holt did. Your argument doesn't hold up. If Torres was my fighter, I'd ease him back into it and I think it's silly to say that ruins boxing. Ricardo Torres has already been in enough great fights to have earned a gimme or two so I disagree with you there.
     
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  7. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    That's why they are called fighters
     
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  8. lmartin

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    Ricardo Torres will always be a "fighter" as you say in my book even though he should be brought back slowly. That doesn't make him any less of a fighter just because his brain might not be completely healed from the trauma it suffered in the knockout.
     
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  9. rapidHOOK

    rapidHOOK The Champ is HERE Full Member

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    yes exactly you could agrue them not to come back so quick but they are fighter/warriors and for torres a defeat like that and mainly losing his world title he has to come back and give it a propa crack
     
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  10. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Vitali came back 5 months after Lewis gutted him,I mean ''look at the state of his face''....and then he harpooned the whale so...
     
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  11. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    i concur. immediate rematches don't usually fare well for the knock-ee. it's almost like a showing of pride and confidence, but not the intelligence, even tho mentally most men's confidence would be shattered after a humiliating defeat, but they ain't going to tell you. A great trainer knows his fighter's habits, physical strengths and weaknesses, and knows he or she is the backbone to a fighters success. The holt-torres fight is an unusual case cuz torres was ko'd brutally, but was instigated by a headbutt, followed by a clean punch, but ko'd nonetheless. I think in this particular case it depends how torres takes this defeat, did i get beat by the better man that night, or he just got lucky and i know i can take this guy cuz i'm the better fighter. it's all how torres' mind
     
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  12. lmartin

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    Dude, I'm talkin brain injuries here not severe cuts. Tolt's brian was traumatized and a fighter's ability to take punches is related to his ability to take concussive blows to his brain. Cuts don't apply to this debate one iota.
     
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  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I don't think it was that bad
     
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  14. rapidHOOK

    rapidHOOK The Champ is HERE Full Member

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    yes it was not that bad the guy you guys should be stressing about is Tsurkan that guy needs a gimme without a doubt
     
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  15. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that result was in doubt even at that point and you know it.

    personally i would have picked lewis past that point but you're just being impartial saying that.
     
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