Should Fred Apostoli Be In The Top 20 At 160lbs?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Record 61-10-1

    Apostoli beat;
    Risko
    Brouillard
    Krieger
    Thil
    Lee
    Corbett 111
    Seelig
    Bettina
    Abrams
    Steele

    Should he be included in the top twenty middles of all time?
    If not, where do you place him?
     
  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    ray fritz Active Member Full Member

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    Like you bring out ,he beat the best guys around at his time. He seemed like he had everything going for him in his prime.Looked like you couldn't find a real flaw in him. Little lower than Tiger on the rankings.
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes - He has a good case, despite his thin tenure as champion.
     
  6. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    I love threads like this, McVey, which show up my pig-ignorance. He wasn't on my list. And I'm a bit geeky about my lists, regarding resume. If anything, I lean too much towards the old school. Interested in how this discussion develops.
     
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  8. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO, yes.

    In fact, I think a case could be made that he rates higher than more well-known/celebrated MWs like LaMotta, Cerdan, & Zale. At the very least, I think he has a deeper resume than any of those 3, even if LaMotta does hold a win over the GOAT.
     
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  9. Greg Price99

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    I have Apostoli at #12 all time at MW based purely on fights contested in that division (making a slight allowance above 160lbs for non-title fights).

    In fights contested at MW he was 57-7-1. I consider that only 4 of those losses were during or around his prime years, an MD loss to the excellent Ken Overlin and Fred was only 22, YCIII avenged, Ceferino Garcia and Tony Zale.

    In addition to YCIII, Apostoli beat ATG Freddie Steele, Georgie Abrams, Marcel Thil, Lou Broulliard, Paul Pirrone, Babe Risko, Solly Krieger x 2, Swede Berglund, Glen Lee x 3 & Frankie Britt.

    That's an outstanding win resume for one of the most underrated, imo, MWs in history.
     
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  10. Greg Price99

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    I have him above all 3, though not much between he and LaMotta (#12 vs #16).
     
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