Should Froch ranked ahead of Bute??

The factor you are leaving out here is that it is a lot easier to look great and 'show real boxing skill' against 2nd tier opposition than it is against top tier fighters.

That's why we typically see fighters get soft touches right before a big PPV. It makes them look even better than they really are and makes people believe two world beaters are about to face off. The truth is usually not as kind..

Froch has faced more challenging competition and as such has had good fights Pascal/Abraham and challenging fights Taylor/Dirrell/Kessler. At the end of the day he faced 5 fighters that are better than any Bute has ever fought and beat 4 of them. :deal

 

But that's why it's so damn hard to make a p4p list. What counts? Current skill or current resume.

No doubt that Bute has the skills to beat the ones on Froch's resume, but he hasnt. Also I would strongly favor Bute in a match against Froch, but does that make him a higher rank than Froch?

Resume or Skills, which ranks higher?

 

It is a legitimate question and I think it is a personal preference just like people's P4P list.

Believe it or not I like Froch's determination and his will. The guy has balls. I just dont think he has elite boxing skills. So for me, I judge based on skills. But, i think bute's resume is pretty weak so i dont have him in the top 10 p4p either. If I had to think about the guys 10-20 in the p4p list I suppose I would have Bute slightly ahead of Froch based on how dominating he has been against lesser competition where Froch has struggled against A lvl guys and actually lost.

 

You are repeating what a lot of people say these days to lower Bute. That may me true in part, but Froch was looking sluggish even when he was facing bums, so your theory doesn't work at 100%. Froch's resume is better than Bute, but if we take how he got his wins, that becomes less impressive. Still, Froch ahead for the moment.

I have a question though: how are you able to say Abraham is a better win than Andrade? He didn't show anything better Saturday...

 

until those two meet, rankings are useless. none of Froch wins were established SMW like none of Bute wins were A class fighters

 

Yea he should.

Ward
Froch
Bute

 

Who are these bums Froch looked sluggish against? He fights whoever is put in front of him; the best of the best, and still only has one defeat on his resume.

When Froch beat Pascal he showed he has buckets of heart and a chin. When he beat Taylor he showed he had stamina, willpower and the determination to dig deep in the championship rounds. When he beat Magee he showed the toughness to fight rounds with a broken hand. When he beat Dirrell he showed it's not all about being a slick boxer, but simply outwilled and outhearted Andre. Kessler was a close fight and he finally shut a few people up by showing he can box in the Abraham clash.

If each and every one of these wins against some of the best fighters in the division doesn't impress on some level, stick to watching Bute hammer on B-level punchbags.

 

Yeah but against who??? and he's not been out of Canada either!!! easy to display real boxing skill against guys who are not A+ fighters! wait until he mixes it with the super six guys and see how good he is, cos right now, he's not being pushed!

 

You are overreacting here. Everybody was saying Froch was slow and sluggish way before the Pascal fight. What's new in that? All I'm saying is that Froch's way of winning has never been nice. He never looked skillful, even against subpar competition. The way Bute wins his fights reveal things even if it's against lower competition. That's my point. If it was so easy to look like that, Froch would have looked like that. And he didn't.

 

Why are all those who say it should be based on the boxers skill lv and not resume, all silent when the discussion turns to calzaghe?

 

Looking at resume, Froch is higher than Bute, but looking at boxing skills, Bute is a mile ahead of Froch. Froch has the perfect style to loose against Bute, i just hope that this fight will be made in the near future.

 

and the problem with you is , you seem to think you decide who wins fights . bottom line is froch has Ws in both the taylor and direll fights. Do I think he beat Direll probably not do I think he sneaked past kessler , yeah i do but that counts for **** all its the w that counts.

Froch is no 1 smw as no one else comes to close to his resume

 

it has to be who you've beaten just saying someone appears to have skills when they havent faced A level fighters is pointless.

I could be the greatest fighter to ever live but until I've beaten some other guys i dont get ranked just because I said so !!

 

Again , based on ****in what ?

Have they fought ? No

have they fought same guys at rougly the same time ? No

have they even fought the same level of opponenets ? No

But Bute is WAY ahead of Froch becasue you say so atsch

 

Yep can't argue with Froch's resume. At the moment I have it:

1. Froch
2. Ward
3. Kessler
4. Dirrel

I have no DOUBT Bute has potential to be amongst them, however he has never been in against guys at this level. Once he has then we will be able to measure him, doing so before hand is foolish.