Should Fury be given credit for beating Wilder?

Rubbish, Fury was just the first good heavyweight that he fought

 

People only focus on Wilders power but it was his speed, fitness, athleticism, timing, accuracy that made a difference. These things diminish badly once you are in your late 30's as the likes of Tyson, Haye discovered and without them you become a much more beatable fighter.

Even a slow moving fighter like Zang could see Wilders predictable but slow right hands from miles away.

 

Exactly, it often gets forgotten that we never got to see Wilder v Povetkin or Wilder v Whyte (which would be a level below Joshua v Wilder). Think we deep down all know he was a protected fighter they were trying to build towards as big a cash out, but they ****ed up picking the shell of Fury

So whilst I would have liked to have seen Wilder v Joshua in 2019. There were other fights along the way involving Wilder we never got to see.

 

This is central to the argument that Wilder was never any good, IMHO.

You can't turn up in terrible shape and beat serious fighters.
Fury was in terrible shape in #1 and #3 and was still clearly the better fighter.
Ergo, Wilder wasn't a serious fighter.

The beating in #2 looked impressive because people were still under the delusion that Wilder was a serious fighter... It didn't matter that he'd never proved he was - he had a belt, lots of KO's and was American and that was enough for a heck of a lot of people.

Wilder's not a has-been, he's a never-was.

 

I mean, I think this is a reasonable position to take. I wonder why he is taking these hard fights now? The big money, lack of big fight names now he's not at the top, perhaps?

 

Fury finished him. We are witnessing a past it washed up wilder and people are acting like we are seeing prime wilder

it’s like people judging Mike Tyson off his loss to Danny Williams and saying ‘see he was never any good’

 

It's a damn good question.

I'm not sure - maybe to try and repair his tattered reputation? Or to regain relevance to get a bigger money cashout (presumably Joshua)?

I'd guess now he's having to contemplate the reality of things.

 

Of course, it’s clear to any person who isn’t blind he has diminished a lot since those fights. Actually both have.

 

More like he got his confidence cracked. That's as important as anything in boxing (and anything else).

 

Wilder doesn't have a resume that would make Joshua fighting him a big priority on Joshua's part. So why should fighting him be a big priority?

Joshua is only ducking Wilder in the same sense he is ducking Dubois, Bakole, Kabayel, Zhang, etc

 

Yeah the stock in Fury's wins over Wilder is dropping like a low grade hookers panties.

 

Neither him nor any opponent wilder ever fought in his 47 pro fights ;-)

 

A boxer should always be given credit for beating an undefeated world champion.

 

Yeah he should. But the main problem with Wilder, outside of his obvious lack of resume is, that he was obviously protected and lack solid enough Boxing skills.
Also a Win on a resume should be judged on the moment when that WIN is achieved, not what happen after that or years after.
As a lot of fighters are not the same after a loss. A lot of contenders lose motivation, etc, etc.
Hrgovic is a good example. I think he will be done after that loss to Dubois, but that doesn't mean he was a bad fighter, overrated, or so.
Now i don't buy the narrative that Wilder was finished after the Fury trilogy, and so on. But all of the guys that beat Wilder deserve their credits.

 

A very important part.
I thought in the fight, he no longer truly believes in himself = retirement time.

you CANNOT fight on a decent level with self doubt, you HAVE to have unwavering self belief. (Which is why most can’t take a loss well)