Should George Chuvalo be inducted into the hall of fame?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mr. magoo, Apr 7, 2008.


  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    They were still halfway decent wins, and as for Williams being shot, well Chuvalo was nearly 35 years old himself and had been fighting for some 15 years. Also, look at the flipside, many felt that he was robbed in a championship fight against Earnie Terrell, and some say the Patterson fight should have been ruled a draw. Now I didn't see any of those fights, but that's what I've been hearing. So if we're going to critique some of his wins, then we need to apply the same standards to his losses as well. Otherwise, it just comes off like we're making selective criticisms and I really don't want to go there.
     
  2. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know what you have, but the point is he might have got in occasionally, but dropped out every now and then, not possessing enough class and consistency to stay in it for long. Even though the division was weak most of the time.
     
  3. bigjake

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    i've seen all these fights,chuvalo williams was the co feature of the ali mathis in texas.as far as chuvalo's career goes i prehaps know more about him then any on this board,followed him from 1959 to 1978 met him on 3 occassions once at a sports dinner with gordie howe
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    Magoo Cleveland williams was SHOT literally and figurativley, he had nearly died in the hospital FIVE years earlier after being shot by a cop. He was missing half his intestines and suffered large amount of permenant damage. Chuvalos win over williams holds no credit in my book.
     
  5. Senya13

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    What was the longest streak of Chuvalo staying in Top 10 without dropping out of it? John Ruiz was in Top 10 above 314 weeks in a row (not sure how many exactly, that is the last rating I have where he is still in Top 10), which is above 6 years in a row. If you wanna count them dropping out, then George Foreman is far ahead of Chuvalo, first being ranked in 1970 and last in the 1990's.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    So despite what big Jake has told you, you're assuming the contrary?


    What evidence can provide to show that the 22 year period in which Chuvalo fought, was weak MOST OF THE TIME? I'm looking for facts here, not just your opinion of the period.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    I'm well aware of William's condition as a result of his gun shot wound, but my point is that Chuvalo was past it as well. Besides, is this the only criteria that you're willing to focus on when evaluating the guy's whole career? I told you in my previous post that we can't just look at the controvery in his wins, but the questionable outcomes of his losses as well, and for some reason you chose to ignore it.
     
  8. Senya13

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    What has he told me? I can tell that Chuvalo didn't stay in Top 10 for the whole duration by looking at annual Ring ratings. He got in, dropped out, in, out. Like I said, if you gonna count that for longest being in Top 10, George Foreman has surpassed that "record" long since. If you gonna only count non-stop staying in Top 10, but without becoming Ring champion, then what was the longest Chuvalo had stayed in Top 10 without dropping out? John Ruiz had stayed for 6+ years in a row, Chuvalo stayed less, as far as I can tell.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    George Foreman and John Ruiz had both acheived the feat of being world champions. When we talk about Chuvalo's run as a long time rated contender, we are primarily refering to the comparison of him to other non-titlists.
     
  10. bigjake

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    if your as smart has you have ppl on this board believe then you know from 1958 to 1972 he was in the top 10 more often then not.good godd man
     
  11. bigjake

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    the heavyweight division is much weaker during ruiz's time then chuvalos was.he diedn't have frazier,foreman,ali, quarry,patterson etc
     
  12. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    mr.magoo
    John Ruiz never was the Ring champion.

    bigjake
    What's you criteria, I'm not getting it? Timespan between first entering the Top 10 and last time being on it? Then several champions have been longer on it, than Chuvalo. Sum total of being in Top 10 during the whole career? Ditto, several heavy's have been on it longer. Consecutive staying in Top 10, Chuvalo is not a record-holder either. You made up some silly claim of a record, which really has zero meaning or worth.
     
  13. bigjake

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    you got the wrong guy i never said that,i simply stated that from 1958 to 1972 he was in the top 10 more then he was out of it.thats all i said,i know chuvalo hes a hell've a good guy a lot of ppl on this board like running him down without even knowing the least bit about the guy
    checkout the treads someone else made that claim
     
  14. Senya13

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    Much weaker? Paterson was past or far past his prime for longer period when Chuvalo was in Top 10. Quarry was a second-rater, who also was very inconsistent and only can brag about wins over past-prime or over mediocre fighters. Foreman had really become a force in the division when Chuvalo was outside of Ring's rating already. So we only have Frazier and Ali, and a lot of past-prime good fighters or lots of mediocre ones. Pick up some of your Ring magazines you said you have and read what was written about that heavyweight division, like what they were saying about the tournament held after Ali's exile?
     
  15. Senya13

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    Since I'm no longer visiting the general boxing section, I saw that claim of some kind of record, and I saw you interfer with statement about 1958-1972 timespan, so I figured you could be the author of that claim, so I wanted to clear up what criteria was being used here, what record does Chuvalo have.