Should his boxing fundementals have saved Roy Jones from all those KO's?

Roy never really uses what you would call boxing funementals or "the basics"
He always won based on his athleticism.. It didnt last forever and the weight drain ruined him..
Btw, do you consider Green and Lebedev bums?

 

Great post.

 

Calzaghe wasn't a great technician himself. :huh that fight had more to do with RJJ being shot to pieces than anything.

 

How about you log off and never come back

 

Dude has no chin!

 

once tarver popped that cherry.. then everyone hit it! johnson, green even Lebedev tapped that chin!

 

exactly. his knockout loss to Tarver was when he was on the inside and didn't move out of the way. Tarver did a little Tyson move by getting hit a little and countering in position. And the Johnson knockout was another situation where Roy was hit over a lazy jab. Roy's athletism was great. His fast hands prevented guys from landing on him. Later they started to land and he couldn't handle it too well. But he was a great fighter.

 

Roy Lost because he lost some speed and by fighting such low quality opponents the better ones were even better just because he was used to fighting such easy fights and could get away with so much more. It did not help to keep him sharp only gave more of a false sense of invincibility. it altered his perception in a negative way. This could be the worst 5 year stretch of opposition ever for somebody with the talent level of RJJ. it was this stretch that led to his demise and fights like these that needed to be made to make his speed look more unstoppable. These type of fighters don't have the tools to nullify speed.


2002-09-07 Clinton Woods
2002-02-02 Glen Kelly
2001-07-28 Julio Cesar Gonzalez
2001-02-24 Derrick Harmon
2000-09-09 Eric Harding
2000-05-13 Richard Hall
2000-01-15 David Telesco
1999-06-05 Reggie Johnson
1999-01-09 Richard Frazier
1998-11-14 Otis Grant
1998-07-18 Lou Del Valle

No surprise he lost to the below after fighting such easy fights listed above.

2011-05-21 Denis Lebedev KO
2010-04-03 Bernard Hopkins
2009-12-02 Danny Green KO
2008-11-08 Joe Calzaghe
2005-10-01 Antonio Tarver
2004-09-25 Glen Johnson KO
2004-05-15 Antonio Tarver KO

 

:good

It really isn't a black & white situation. Take the BHOP of 15 years ago and put him into the body he has today, and you'd see similar things. He made a gradual adjustment that Roy Jones didn't have the time/chance to attempt. People need to understand not having a conventional guard does not mean you do not know the technical aspects of boxing, and that strength, speed, and reflexes alone would not propel you to those heights.

 

lol breh u jus can't get enuff of bashin roy to da jones jr.? huh, it's fine dawg we know how da 1993 fight went, Jones beat dat 28 year old snaggletoof's ass .

 

I don't need to bash Roy. He bashed himself and boxing by taking these type of fights. Snaggletooth was very green and was not fully polished. If you want to believe a 1993 Hopkins was prime it's all good my brah. You can't tell me Roy should not have fought Hopkins instead of one of the 11 horrific opponents he took from 1998-2002 which happened to be Hopkins prime.
Roy was doing the telecast of many of the spectacular wins Snaggletooth had. He saw how Bhop improved and wanted no part.

Speed kills but you need the right victim to be in front of you

 

all these experts on this topic talking if roy had boxing fundamentals. comical.

 

holy ****! what a incredibly dumb comment. you realize you're talking about the 90's fighter of the decade and arguably the most talented boxer ever. fighters get old. look at how ali looked in his prime and at the end. same with jones. roy was hardly hit in his reign but according to you his defense sucked.

 

so tarver and johnson didn't expose anything four years earlier when they knockout jones? it was all calzaghe?

btw, with all of our geography posting earlier, they fought in nyc. jones' backyard would be florida.

 

never said Hopkins was prime in da year '93 breh. i think his prime woos around '96-'01. now as fo dat telecast ting u brought up it was clear as day dat Hopkins didn't wan't no god damn part of dat mo****a dey cawl Roy Jones Junior in '02.

Jones offered Bernard 60/40 i kick yo ass, dat was mo den fair at da time. Wat gave Hops da right to demand fitty/fitty? nuffin. Plus Roy beat dat ass da first time in '93.


look at dis breh at da time in '02 dis who 'ol man Hops had on his resume

Felix Trinidad
Keith Holmes
John David Jackson
Glen Johnson (nobody at da time)
Syd Vanderpool

Hopkeens was da middleweight champion wit 15 title defenses.


now compare dat to supaman


Bernard Hopkins
Virgil Hill
Montell Griffin
Thulani Malinga
Thomas Tate
Jorge Castro
Reggie Johnson
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez (nobody at da time)
Merqui Sosa
James Toney
Tony Thornton



by '02 Jones had been da Middleweight champion, super middleweight champion and da Light Heavyweight champion. He made 1 defense of da Middleweight belt, 5 defenses of da Super Middleweight belt and 9 defenses of da Light Heavyweight belt.



So Hopkins had no god dizzam right to demand dat fitty/fitty he wanted, 60/40 was mo den fair and Hopkins should have accepted.