Should Jimmy Wilde be Considered the All Time Number 1 P4P Boxer ?

Is there a case for Jimmy Wilde being the 'All Time Number 1 P4P Boxer'.

Wilde actually defines P4P and here is why ? -
Jimmy Wilde was always giving weight away, he only weighed about 90 lbs, the lightest weighclass in his day was 'Flyweight' - 112lbs, today there are weight classes at 'Strawweight' 105 lbs and 'Light Flyweight' 108 lbs.

If they could have made weightclasses small enough for the 'Mighty Atom' he would have won World titles at 90 lbs {does not exsist}, 95 lbs {does not exsist}, 100 lbs {does not exsist}, 105 lbs {now a weight class}, 108 lbs {now a weight class}, 112 lbs {Was World Flyweight Champion} 115 lbs {now a weightclass} also Jimmy Wilde had a couple of wins over Joe Lynch who went on to become World Bantemweight Champion 118 lbs, he gave Lynch a 14 lb weight advantage.

Jimmy Wilde often weighed in for fights in his street clothes, including shoes and his pockets allegedly 'full of rocks' { I have read that in America at the time you was required to be within 10 lbs of your opponents weight, I dont know if that was true, if it was it could explain Jimmy wearing his street clothes to weigh in}

Jimmy Wilde, is definitely the best flyweight of all time -
The Internatinal Boxing research organisation say so.
Nat Fleischer says so
Charlie 'Broadway' Rose says so
{Infact I have never ever seen an ATG flyweight list, that does not show 'The Mighty Atom' as number 1}.

Jimmy Wilde was unbeaten in his first 101 fights, this was one of the longest unbeaten runs ever.
Jimmy Wilde is widely regarded as one of the most devistating punchers ever, {no matter what weight division} thats why he was called the 'Ghost with a Hammer in his Hand'.
Infact Jimmy Wilde is often ranked as the 'Greatest Ever Puncher'. In 2003, Ring magazine listed him as their #3 all time best ever puncher.
Jimmy Wildes KO record was an increditable 65.13 % {considering he was fighting in the main, bigger, larger men}
Gene Tunney said that Jimmy Wilde was the ''Greatest Fighter I Ever Saw''
The IBRO (International Boxing Research Organization) published a listing of the greatest boxers of all time in the IBRO Journal # 91 Sept, 27 2006.
Nearly a third of voters had Jimmy Wilde in their top 10 All Time Great P4P. Two thirds of voters had him in their top 20.

Wilde fought all the best boxers in his day, although Wilde was from Wales he became an International superstar {10 fights in the USA and 2 in Canada, one of the Canadian fights attracted a crowd of 11,000 people which was the largest ever attendance for a bout in that country} , Wilde retired after losing to Pete Herman in round 17, Wilde was giving Herman a
10lb weight advantage, after 30 months {2 and half years} out of the ring Wilde was tempted out of the retirement to fight the new young sensation
'Pancho Villa' in New York, Wilde was given a massive sum for 1923, of £13,000 pounds sterling, Wilde was 31 years old and Pancho Villa was 22 years old, it was one fight to many for Jimmy Wilde, Villa became the Phillipines first World boxing champion and a national hero overnight.

Jimmy Wilde's record was 137 Wins {99 by KO}, 2 Draws and 5 defeats.
He became President of the National Union of Boxers and wrote an autobiography, Fighting Was My Business.

In any true p4p list, I can't see how Jimmy Wilde could possibly be left out of anybodies top 10 ? as he defines p4p greatness, in the true sense of p4p he could even be considered for the number 1 spot ?

 

You are showing your ignorance here, I dont wish to be rude but we are talking about the period 1910-23, Jimmy Wilde fought anything between 500-1000 bouts he started boxing at 16 in a booth, we dont have accurate records of who he fought, when he fought or the exact resumes or weights of the boxers he did fight,particularly his early fights, when he continued winning and became a star, the records of his fights become more accurate, this is the same for other boxers of his era.

One think is clear, Jimmy Wilde would have won every World title between 90 lbs up to 118 lbs and more often than not by knockout, if such titles had excisted, you like quoting when talking about Pacman that he has won titles at this weight and that weight, well 'The Mighty Atom' comparing 'like for like' would have won more, you came onto this site claiming there should be a consensous of boxing experts to decide on p4p lists, well we have the boxing historians at the IBRO and a third of them think the 'Ghost With A Hammer In His Hand' is a top 10 ATG, the other two thirds think he his a top 20 ATG, they gave him an ATG ranking of #14, you like historical importance when ranking your boxers well Jimmy Wilde was a star both sides of the Atlantic a 100 years ago, record crowds watched him, he became President of the boxers union and even had an autobiography about him in the 1920s, he was so good and so famous that they even gave him a fortune to come out of retirement.

You need to learn more about the history of boxing {and life - what the World was like pre 1st World War etc} and not be so reliant on Boxrec for your info, you have shown your ignorance by believing the records of Jimmy Wilde's first 60 opponents is 'full and complete'.

 

My ratings are bogus ?, I rank Jimmy Wilde #7 ATG, the experts at the IBRO rate Wilde as their #14 ATG, you rank Wilde as #29, way out of line with the experts.
IBRO dont think that Ezzard Charles is a top 10 ATG, I know the IBRO is not the be all and end of boxing lists, but all the same they say {IBRO} Charles is not top 10, they have him at #12, I have Charles at #11, you have Charles at #5, yet again you are way out of line, if anybody has bogus ratings it is you.

You constantly focus on resume, yes it is one of the most important tools as you say, but not the be all and end all of rankings, Jimmy Wilde beats every one from 90 lbs up to 118 lbs when close to his prime, he defines an ATG P4P boxer.