Should Kovalev have taken a knee?

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Comfortably ahead??? LOL! Sounds like a bunch of haters with most likely Golovkin aficionados. LOL!
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Punch stats were Canelo : 133 / 345 = 38.6% Kovalev 113 / 745 = 15.4%. According to Compubox Kovalev threw more than twice the amount of punches Canelo did.

    Jabs Canelo 29/128 = 22.7%, Kovalev 63/577 = 10.9% , Power punches Canelo 104/217 = 47.9% Kovalev 52 / 168 = 31%
     
  3. Scar

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    Not really. Some are Golovkin fans, sure, but others are diehard Alvarez fans. Here’s a hilarious reality, one of the Golovkin fans that had Alvarez ahead is Mexican. :lol: You can check out the round by round thread here too, the majority had Kovalev ahead and even though I know the majority are Golovkin fruitcakes, I could argue otherwise because I had it a draw going into the 11th.
     
  4. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Google "Canelo Kovalev Compubox". If you give Kovalev the 2nd round based on activity where the landed punches were even but Kovalev (10/75) threw 3x more punches (Canelo 10/27), it would have been 6-4 for Kovalev going in to the 11th round.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I gave the first 2 rounds to Kovalev, the next 2 to Canelo. Rounds 2 and 3 were extremely close and could have gone either way.
     
  6. Scar

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    The only reason why I gave Kovalev most of the close rounds is because he was more active. Alvarez mostly landed the more telling blows, but they came in single punches here and there. That’s not enough to a win a round when your opponent is more active and actually landing. Still though, to each their own.
     
  7. shadow111

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    What makes this tricky was that Kovalev wasn't exactly landing most of those jabs. Canelo had his guard up the whole time picking off most of Kovalev's shots. So I agree with you in theory and when one guy is throwing and one isn't it's hard to give it to the guy not throwing, but in this case it was one guy just throwing a lazy pawing jab getting mostly blocked and the other guy occasionally getting inside and loading up on big shots.
     
  8. Scar

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    I agree, and I dropped some rounds for Kovalev and gave them for Alvarez even after Alvarez landed only two clean blows simply because Kovalev’ jabs were clearly mostly blocked. Though sometimes he did land and even landed power punches too. He just didn’t commit often because when he did, he got countered brutally and it hurt him.
     
  9. PernellSweetPea

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    I will be honest, I still don't see how Canelo was winning that fight when he stopped Kovalev.
     
  10. divac

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    I don't think Canelo was loading up, he was throwing when the opening was there to be had.
    What Canelo was doing was getting up close to try and dig the shot to the body to get Kovalev to open up so he himself Canelo could have openings to attack.

    Now, what Scar did in how he scored it was award activity regardless if it was effective or not, that just isn't in the scoring criteria.

    What good is activity if its half assed flicks and even those are being blocked????
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    If we went by these punchstat numbers, it tells a story of on outright near dominating performance by Canelo Alvarez.
    Less punches thrown but more connects than Kovalev.
    A clear power connect advantage, and we already know that even with the jabs, Canelo's was much heavier.

    If the fight had gone to the card and Kovalev had been awarded the decision, punchstat numbers clearly state the decision would have been
    an outright robbery.
     
  12. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The scoring criteria involves clean effective connects as well as "defense."
    The fact that Canelo outlanded Kovalev while throwing less, tells us Canelo's defense should be rewarded.
     
  13. ElCyclon

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    You should not be rewarded for punches you missed. I don't think you thought this through. This is getting ridiculous.
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thankyou!
    10 out of 75 for Kovalev vs 10 out of 27 for Canelo, taking into account that in most rounds Canelo had by far superior torque and power behind his shots, that is clearly telling us the round belongs to Canelo, but not surpisingly most casuals at home don't really pay attention to if the shots are landing or not, all they see is Kovalev's activity.
    This particular number for round 2 is clearly telling us that Kovalev is being unable and maybe even clueless as to how to penetrate Canelo's defense, and 10 out of 27 is telling us that Canelo is picking his spots and punching only when he see's the gap open for him to punch.
     
  15. Leoh

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    If the number of landed punches are even/indistinguishable, and one fighter threw 3 times more punches in total, then he wins the round based on activity/aggression. That's how judging works.